Posted on 01/02/2005 12:20:11 PM PST by PatrickHenry
"You are mistaken when you attribute your interpretation of stars falling to common sense. Common sense doesn't allow us to know that it wasn't 1/3 of the stars at all."
Fine believe whatever you choose, really gives me neither a negative or a positive, what others choose to believe.
For clarity I would say, the scripture consistently uses the figurative language "serpent" when referring to Lucifer/Satan/Devil. The context of the passage allows one to discern whether a literal serpent/snake is being described or if a figurative theme is being described.
js1138 - How do you know if this is literal or figurative?
All a person needs to do in order to determine if figurative/symbolic language refers to literal things/entities is compare scripture with scripture i.e.:
Isa 28:10 For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:
If one stumbles on a figurative idea which is presented in the same way throughout a document, an attentive reader bridges the concept to add meaning to the theme of the piece. A stubborn refusal to acknowledge the most obvious figurative/literal bridges, can only limit a readers depth of understanding. The less frequent figurative references have less impact on the theme and naturally should be weighted when comparing plot lines.
Insisting on doctrine based on one figurative reference can be tenuous, and should be weighted against more established themes to gain incite into the intended significance.
js1138 if you do a "Words/Phrase to Search" at http://www.blueletterbible.org/ on the word "serpent", you will be able to easily discern the figurative vs. literal usage. Again, figurative usages can be referring to a literal thing/entity. Children's stories do these things all the time, so we learn to discern these things at an immature age.
Hey I am not the one claiming that a literal serpent/snake beguiled (holy seduced) Eve.
Fine believe whatever you choose, really gives me neither a negative or a positive, what others choose to believe.
What you are calling common sense (the nature of the firmament) is actually modern scientific knowledge. I can understand you disliking this, because it damages the logic and coherence of your position. I note that you didn't address the rest of my post, which explains my first sentence. If you wish to dispute my logic you need to do more than just reject the opening sentence.
Common sense is understanding, the word dragon used, is not literally speaking of a fire breathing dragon. Thus, common sense says if we are not talking about a literal dragon then we are not talking about literal "stars" being dragged by a figurative dragon.
That is allllllll I am specifically speaking about in using the phrase 'common sense'.
You keep ignoring my question. How do you know whether the stars were cast to earth, or whether this is a figure of speech, or a metaphor?
By the way look at the people in this nation today, we have 1/3 liberal, 1/3 that sit upon the fence, I mean independent, and 1/3 on the right. Seeeeee a pattern?????
Out of interest, what do think is being referred to by the highly specific referrence to 1/3 of the stars?
Got you.
The language describes Satan taking on the form of a literal walking "Serpentman" -- speaking, beautiful, walking... -- which caused formerly walking serpents to be forever stripped of their legs to be belly crawlers.
What we have here is a double-entendre.
Being that cherubs/angels take on the form of things, the dragon/serpent seems to be Satans form of preference.
Good catch. So true.
I missed J.M.'s implications. Biblically, Cain was clearly the son of Adam and Eve.
I am not perfect like the eggman lol
Tell me, please, what I've done to convince you of that.
Truth be known, I don't come as close as you might think.
I'll sell them the paint too, cash in advance please.
Given what else we are told, planted throughout the Word, they are the ones, Sons of God, who followed Lucifer when he decided he would take the place of God. Long long before man in the flesh was created.
The reason why man was created in the flesh with the memory of what took placed removed, and the opportunity for each to be born of woman, and not all were or will be.
LEARN the parable of the FIG TREE! Christ's words not mine!
"I missed J.M.'s implications. Biblically, Cain was clearly the son of Adam and Eve."
IMPLICATIONS??????? Why then is Cain not listed in The Adam's genealogy????? You really need a lesson in what the original says.
Christ did tell us "LEARN ye the Parable of the FIG TREE".
"You know very well "IF" in fact that you can read 'HEBREW' that the snake and or the serpent of Genesis is NOT a literal physical snake."
I take the whole Adam and Eve segment figuratively as a spiritual lesson. But I don't think it is all that clear from the text that the serpent isn't a serpent, unless you take evolution as a fact and know that snakes did not have their legs cut off all of a sudden, but it was a more gradual evolutionary process. The evidence for this is that some snakes still have vestigial leg bones.
You know if you are going to call me a liar all the time, it is not much fun to talk to you. I speak, read, and used to be able to write Hebrew, but am out of practice at writing now.
No, but you should like scientology, it is another cult.
Note the lol. It means I don't really think you are perfect. ;-)
Do you know any biology at all?
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