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In the beginning . . . Adam walked with dinosaurs [Creationist Park]
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 02 January 2005 | James Langton

Posted on 01/02/2005 12:20:11 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Thatcherite

"You are mistaken when you attribute your interpretation of stars falling to common sense. Common sense doesn't allow us to know that it wasn't 1/3 of the stars at all."

Fine believe whatever you choose, really gives me neither a negative or a positive, what others choose to believe.


761 posted on 01/06/2005 9:43:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts; js1138
Just mythoughts - AH HAH!!!! FIGURATIVELY speaking that OLD SERPENT is the DEVIL.

For clarity I would say, the scripture consistently uses the figurative language "serpent" when referring to Lucifer/Satan/Devil. The context of the passage allows one to discern whether a literal serpent/snake is being described or if a figurative theme is being described.

js1138 - How do you know if this is literal or figurative?

All a person needs to do in order to determine if figurative/symbolic language refers to literal things/entities is compare scripture with scripture i.e.:

Isa 28:10 For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:

If one stumbles on a figurative idea which is presented in the same way throughout a document, an attentive reader bridges the concept to add meaning to the theme of the piece. A stubborn refusal to acknowledge the most obvious figurative/literal bridges, can only limit a readers depth of understanding. The less frequent figurative references have less impact on the theme and naturally should be weighted when comparing plot lines.

Insisting on doctrine based on one figurative reference can be tenuous, and should be weighted against more established themes to gain incite into the intended significance.

js1138 if you do a "Words/Phrase to Search" at http://www.blueletterbible.org/ on the word "serpent", you will be able to easily discern the figurative vs. literal usage. Again, figurative usages can be referring to a literal thing/entity. Children's stories do these things all the time, so we learn to discern these things at an immature age.

762 posted on 01/06/2005 9:44:50 AM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: bondserv

Hey I am not the one claiming that a literal serpent/snake beguiled (holy seduced) Eve.


763 posted on 01/06/2005 9:46:49 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"You are mistaken when you attribute your interpretation of stars falling to common sense. Common sense doesn't allow us to know that it wasn't 1/3 of the stars at all."

Fine believe whatever you choose, really gives me neither a negative or a positive, what others choose to believe.

What you are calling common sense (the nature of the firmament) is actually modern scientific knowledge. I can understand you disliking this, because it damages the logic and coherence of your position. I note that you didn't address the rest of my post, which explains my first sentence. If you wish to dispute my logic you need to do more than just reject the opening sentence.

764 posted on 01/06/2005 9:47:48 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Thatcherite

Common sense is understanding, the word dragon used, is not literally speaking of a fire breathing dragon. Thus, common sense says if we are not talking about a literal dragon then we are not talking about literal "stars" being dragged by a figurative dragon.

That is allllllll I am specifically speaking about in using the phrase 'common sense'.


765 posted on 01/06/2005 9:51:48 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: bondserv
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth...

You keep ignoring my question. How do you know whether the stars were cast to earth, or whether this is a figure of speech, or a metaphor?

766 posted on 01/06/2005 9:53:21 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: Thatcherite

By the way look at the people in this nation today, we have 1/3 liberal, 1/3 that sit upon the fence, I mean independent, and 1/3 on the right. Seeeeee a pattern?????


767 posted on 01/06/2005 9:53:27 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
OK, I understand you now. Sorry I got antsy. Partly a difficulty with the question/response medium rather than F2F communication.

Out of interest, what do think is being referred to by the highly specific referrence to 1/3 of the stars?

768 posted on 01/06/2005 9:55:29 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Just mythoughts
This is a concept that is extra-biblical. The bible says that Eve knew her husband and with the help of God, not the Devil, conceived a son.
769 posted on 01/06/2005 9:57:14 AM PST by D Edmund Joaquin
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To: Just mythoughts
Hey I am not the one claiming that a literal serpent/snake beguiled (holy seduced) Eve.

Got you.

The language describes Satan taking on the form of a literal walking "Serpentman" -- speaking, beautiful, walking... -- which caused formerly walking serpents to be forever stripped of their legs to be belly crawlers.

What we have here is a double-entendre.

Being that cherubs/angels take on the form of things, the dragon/serpent seems to be Satans form of preference.

770 posted on 01/06/2005 10:06:45 AM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
This is a concept that is extra-biblical. The bible says that Eve knew her husband and with the help of God, not the Devil, conceived a son.

Good catch. So true.

I missed J.M.'s implications. Biblically, Cain was clearly the son of Adam and Eve.

771 posted on 01/06/2005 10:11:50 AM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: shubi
Back online again and again, Shub, only to find you projecting again with this little gem:

I am not perfect like the eggman lol

Tell me, please, what I've done to convince you of that.

Truth be known, I don't come as close as you might think.

772 posted on 01/06/2005 10:54:35 AM PST by tx_eggman ("All I need to know about Islam I learned on 09/11/01" - Crawdad)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I'll sell them the paint too, cash in advance please.


773 posted on 01/06/2005 11:24:46 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Thatcherite

Given what else we are told, planted throughout the Word, they are the ones, Sons of God, who followed Lucifer when he decided he would take the place of God. Long long before man in the flesh was created.

The reason why man was created in the flesh with the memory of what took placed removed, and the opportunity for each to be born of woman, and not all were or will be.


774 posted on 01/06/2005 12:11:52 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

LEARN the parable of the FIG TREE! Christ's words not mine!


775 posted on 01/06/2005 12:13:38 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: bondserv

"I missed J.M.'s implications. Biblically, Cain was clearly the son of Adam and Eve."


IMPLICATIONS??????? Why then is Cain not listed in The Adam's genealogy????? You really need a lesson in what the original says.


Christ did tell us "LEARN ye the Parable of the FIG TREE".


776 posted on 01/06/2005 12:18:44 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

"You know very well "IF" in fact that you can read 'HEBREW' that the snake and or the serpent of Genesis is NOT a literal physical snake."

I take the whole Adam and Eve segment figuratively as a spiritual lesson. But I don't think it is all that clear from the text that the serpent isn't a serpent, unless you take evolution as a fact and know that snakes did not have their legs cut off all of a sudden, but it was a more gradual evolutionary process. The evidence for this is that some snakes still have vestigial leg bones.

You know if you are going to call me a liar all the time, it is not much fun to talk to you. I speak, read, and used to be able to write Hebrew, but am out of practice at writing now.


777 posted on 01/06/2005 12:41:53 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

No, but you should like scientology, it is another cult.


778 posted on 01/06/2005 12:43:14 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: tx_eggman

Note the lol. It means I don't really think you are perfect. ;-)


779 posted on 01/06/2005 12:45:58 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Do you know any biology at all?


780 posted on 01/06/2005 12:46:58 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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