Posted on 01/02/2005 12:20:11 PM PST by PatrickHenry
(But there was one a bit ago about a theme park in Florida run by that tax evader Hovind.)
Second that! Would never have guessed the rwfromkansas of 2-3 years back would be making such posts as now.
Anyway, I propose we draw straws among us for this thread. Loser has to play "UN observer" and hang around while the creationists fling rocks at each other, and then ping the rest of us back when they're tired of beating each other up. Otherwise, I can't see much point in sticking around for the food fight, since it pretty obviously doesn't involve me...
Yes, it does speak to a history. But you're thinking from a disadvantage - you don't see things as God does. God is extradimensional and outside of time looking in on it. If you built the watch you know when it's going to need rewinding or a new battery. If you're a gear in the watch, all you can see is your function and that of the bits around you whether you understand the whole of it or not. Jeremiah doesn't have to pre-exist for God to know him before he's born. God only needs to observe History standing outside the constraints of time. Time, matter and energy were created by him.
We are told the WORD is God, now that being the case we are given within the WORD a glimpse that there is more to this story than we can see in flesh bodies.
That's the first thing you've said in conversation with me that has any real weight. You aren't God and neither am I. We don't operate on his level or have the intelligence or facts that God possesses. There is more to any story in Scripture than we can see or understand without His intervention. But there is enough there to be instructive. Where you err is in trying to theorize about possible explanations and then dogmatizing your theories as truth. Every time you do that you'll get yourself in trouble. There is no sin in saying "I don't know" when God has not spoken or you don't have any truth upon which to draw. If you find a burning candle and someone asks you how long it's been burning, you can't say unless you have more information.. like how long it's actually been burning, or, it's original size, normal burn rate AND the exact conditions in which it has been burning for the full time. Absent that, "I don't know" is your only correct answer. Anything else is a guess. Pride overcomes wisdom more often than not and instead of "I don't know", people want to say, theoretically x amount of time. And next thing you know, it's been dogmatized and you have to believe it to get to heaven. Same process as evolution. Evolutionists assess "educated guesses" to be as concrete as truth. They are not. Which is why mathmatical theories require proofs. It's why propositions in science must be falsifiable. We spend our whole lives processing and acting upon information. If you're acting on bad information, you're wasting time. If you're proliferating bad information, you're wasting other people's time. When you're doing so in a Christian context, you're risking people's souls. Playing games with people's souls for the sake of your intellectual Vanity is offensive to God - that's why special punishment is reserved for false prophets and false teachers. You're in a war. The enemy has been shelling your position for three days. The shelling stops while your buddy is getting some shut eye and when he wakes up, he notes the absence of enemy fire. You haven't surveyed the situation beyond not hearing any shelling. Your buddy asks, "did we kill them all or are they still there?" You decide that since the shelling stopped and there's no real explanation for why that you're aware of you'll tell him, "they're gone". So he trots out into the open and gets shot. You're now responsible for his death. And of course you wouldn't be so cavalier with your buddy's life. But when you start theorizing and dogmatizing it, you're doing precisely the same thing with his soul which is far worse by comparison. You'd do better to get him shot. At least only his body would be dying.. you risk damning him to hell. Yet you seem to have no concept of the import of any of it and no sense of perspective. If you speak for God when he has not spoken, you will pay for it.
Really? Hovind a tax evader? How interesting.
Eh, they're not paying attention - too busy hitting each other over the head with Hebrew dictionaries and so forth...
LOL
I've been keeping watch only because I posted the thread in the first place. Sad to see it degenerate, but whatcha gonna do? I suppose I'll drop out before long.
Oh I am paying attention. Not much difference in E's and most C's.
;^)
Same to ya.
Prefect of Police: "I'm shocked, shocked to learn that there is gambling going on here!"
Havoc God gave me a brain, and He did not instruct you to tell me if I am or am not using it.
Now either Jeremiah being known and sanctified and ordained before he was born tells that there is a history there or Jeremiah was created a robot.
There is also no sin in being ignorant but it is one to stay that way. So stop preaching to me about things you do not understand.
Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;
and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
NO fig grove hey?
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