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Religion in the Classroom {Southern Baptist Discontent with Public Schools}
Lubbock, TX, Avalanche-Journal ^
| 01-01-05
| Mansfield, Duncan, AP
Posted on 01/01/2005 7:47:36 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: mariabush
..We sacrificed to the point that we will never be able to retire comfortably .. Maybe not in a material sense; but your heart will be at peace, knowing that your most important work has been well done.
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posted on
01/01/2005 9:55:59 AM PST
by
MrNatural
(..".You want the truth?!"...)
To: Mark Felton
Well said. Leftists act as though all religions are morally equivalent. Nothing could be further from the truth.
To: Mark Felton
I am a Protestant Christian. My extended family are Spanish Catholics who are completely tolerant to me now but generations ago would have been trying to torture or kill me for my beliefs. And they would have done it with the same vehemence that you show in your posts, "We are right and God is on our side!" My postmodern leanings are a extension, probably too far but better safe than sorry, of my desire to distance myself from my ancestors' actions.
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posted on
01/01/2005 11:22:25 AM PST
by
ddantas
To: ddantas
Re: "If your kid had a Muslim teacher, would you wanting the teacher leading prayers to Allah before each class? If your kid had a Hindu teacher, would you want Hindu god-statues scattered across the classroom? Why then are people so upset when Christian teachers are forbidden from doing similar things?"
Because it is targeting Christianity and not these other religions. In case you haven't heard there are classroom in this country (California for one) where readings from the Koran is required as well as picking a Muslim name as part of "sensitivity training" They are also targeting national documents that mention //gasp// "God". In addition they are clearly promoting values that are anathema to Christians. I am sure you are well aware of much of this.
The pretense to religious neutrality is a myth. I wonder if you are as neutral as you seem to claim? Do Christians make you "uncomfortable"? Are you one of those people eating at a Wendy's and see a person quietly reading the Bible and get a twinge of annoyance? Many do and never look at their reasons, it annoys them and that is good enough. They don't wish to look at their reasons so they fail to understand the danger to their own freedoms when the Declaration of Independence is banned because it uses the word "God". The movement and efforts of such groups like the ACLU does not offend them because, well just'cuse. Those folks are so annoying anyway and what the heck it isn't my religion that is under attack. But it is and they will get around to you eventually. How soon will it be before you are REQUIRED to drop the incense in honor of Caesar? The shameful thing is for many that will be just fine.
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posted on
01/01/2005 11:54:58 AM PST
by
Mark in the Old South
(Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
To: Theodore R.
Our daughter is in a private Bible based Christian school. It's wonderful. They are very conservative there and she has friends with the same values and beliefs. The academic standards are HIGH so for us it is a win-win.
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posted on
01/01/2005 11:59:25 AM PST
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
To: mariabush
You're not alone.
We see it this way ... we will have eternity to be together. We love our daughter enough to make sure this is her fate.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:03:19 PM PST
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
To: RadioAstronomer
Don't you find it a tad odd that homeschoolers and private Christian school kids ALWAYS outscore public schooled kids?
Yes, I think they know what a "molecule" is ... LOL! They can do circules around you ... with secular knowledge.
Careful your bigoted bias is showing ... yet again!
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:05:35 PM PST
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
To: Republic_of_Secession.
Homeschooling isn't for everyone. It's not a universal panacea that's going to solve all the problems of public education, especially those that result from dysfunctional families, crime, and illegitimacy.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:14:55 PM PST
by
valkyrieanne
(card-carrying South Park Republican)
To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
They will probably have to set foot in public school to take a standardized test eventually. I just meant he college tests, ACT & SAT. You don't have to set foot in a public school to take these tests, if you're a homeschooler. You just sign up online, pay with a credit card, and pick whatever test center in your area you want. Many universities public & private serve as test centers.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:16:30 PM PST
by
valkyrieanne
(card-carrying South Park Republican)
To: bozack
I'm assuming most people here feel the Christian faith should be represented in public schools, correct?Not in my case. My seventh grader is learning about Christianity as well as other religions (Hindusim, Judaism, Persian Zoroastrianism) in her ancient history class (taught by a lady in our church whom we know, BTW.) I see nothing wrong with learning about other religions *in the context of a history class.*
As far as worship, I don't think that has a place in public school when the school runs it.
Regarding the teaching of evolution, we don't believe in "young earth creationism." We believe God created the universe and guided human development (so that man has an immortal soul in the image of God), but we believe that happened by "intelligent design," so that the evolutionary process was *used* by God to produce the effect (man & his immortal soul.) But as far as science goes, our local school's science classes have *not* taught science in any atheistic way - they just talk about the science, without going into the cause - which is fine with us.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:21:09 PM PST
by
valkyrieanne
(card-carrying South Park Republican)
To: Lizavetta
Not necessarily. Here in California at least you can transfer into a 4-year college after you've done 50+ units at a junior college - no test scores required. Here in MO, the community colleges either give you the option of submitting ACT scores, or taking their own placement tests. They admit pretty much everyone, but they don't have to put the student in classes that they don't think the student can handle.
But just an observation: I find it interesting that people who wouldn't touch a public high school seem to have no compunction about sending a 16-18 year old to a public community college, where the instructors have *far* less "brakes" on them than they do in a local high school.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:24:08 PM PST
by
valkyrieanne
(card-carrying South Park Republican)
To: bozack
I see your point as well. There are public schools NOW in the US where the majority of students are Muslim (i.e. some neighborhoods in Detroit, MI.) If the majority religion in those schools is Muslim, you can bet that the constitutional 'barriers' against religious observance in schools would be relaxed to allow Muslim indoctrination - if they could get away with it.
Likewise, people who think vouchers are the "solution" to every public school problem frequently don't consider that vouchers would be paid to Islamic schools as well - including the radical ones paid for by rich Saudis that black out Israel on the map.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:26:34 PM PST
by
valkyrieanne
(card-carrying South Park Republican)
To: nmh
Don't you find it a tad odd that homeschoolers and private Christian school kids ALWAYS outscore public schooled kids? Actually, they don't, not always. There is a wide range of kids to be found in homeschooling, including those who are learning disabled, etc.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:28:34 PM PST
by
valkyrieanne
(card-carrying South Park Republican)
To: valkyrieanne
That's true, However, in practice, those universities and and various other test centers may not be administering the test on the day you want/need to take it. There are many testing centers, but they do not all administer the test every time, or they can fill up before the sign-up deadline is passed. Just FYI. Sign up early and check out the various testing centers by DATE.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:32:25 PM PST
by
The Ghost of FReepers Past
(Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Is it that big a deal, though, if a child takes the ACT/SAT in a public high school?
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:37:05 PM PST
by
valkyrieanne
(card-carrying South Park Republican)
To: nmh; PatrickHenry; longshadow
Don't you find it a tad odd that homeschoolers and private Christian school kids ALWAYS outscore public schooled kids? Wasn't my argument. Did you even read what I wrote?
Yes, I think they know what a "molecule" is ... LOL! They can do circules around you ... with secular knowledge.
In my field? Unless they have been to graduate school this is pure and total codswallop.
Careful your bigoted bias is showing ... yet again!
Insult away. However, this does not reflect highly on you.
FYI, circules should have been spelled circles. Hope you are not the spelling teacher.
To: valkyrieanne
Thank you for your voice of reason. :-)
To: RadioAstronomer
Thanks for the ping. I'm all for private schools, even those that teach some nonsense. The worst of them can't be any worse than the typical government school.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:52:53 PM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the ping. I'm all for private schools, even those that teach some nonsense. The worst of them can't be any worse than the typical government school.This may be surprising to some here on this thread, but I do agree with you all the way. My argument further up was not even pointed at home schooling.
To: valkyrieanne
It is true that there are several homeschooling families with children who are learning disabled. But you are not right when you say that homeschoolers do not always outscore public-schooled children. (unless you are talking on an individual basis) Nationwide, it is a proven statistical fact that homeschooled children outscore public school children.
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