Posted on 12/30/2004 9:28:58 PM PST by Josef1235
----Call me old fashioned, but I believe that you never gain by giving in to evil and wrongdoing. You always gain by opposing it, within the rules, whenever and however you can. Those who suggest that Rossi concede and slink away to the sidelines in the face of a theft of this magnitude are only encouraging, whether they realize it or not, more open, brazen, in-your-face theft like this in the future.
In a knife fight or a superhero movie I'd agree with you. In politics-not always. In '02 John Thune was ripped off in a very similar fraud. He took the long view and went on to beat Tommy D. Do you live in Wa? Folks here believe that they are "nice". There is a very strong prejudice against rude, pushy people (i.e. folks from "back east" and CA). If Rossi wants to be part of the solution he may decide to contest the election until the fraud is obvious to the sheepul and then bow out.
I don't think you are old fashioned. I also don't think that, given the climate in Wa, Rossi can defeat the tide by himself. change will only come when the sheepul are offended. They aren't yet.
----When are you going to ..........say, enough?
Enough.
cpu
I've seen this comparison before on these threads and I think it is wrong in this case. The political dynamic is just too different between SD and WA. SD has a midwest flavor to it and could be correctly classified as moderate to conservative. A conservative running a re-match after being cheated the first time has a decent shot. WA is liberal 'Rat through and through. If Rossi bows out, more likely than not, they'll bury him. Plus, Thune was trying for a similar position as he sought the first time out. I don't think that's the case with Rossi. He wants to be governor because he feels that is where he can do the most good in turning around his state. Going for Senator for him would probably be throwing him a bone. Consolation prizes are for losers.
My humble rebuttal: "Blow it out your $%#, bi#%@."
And what, pray tell, has that particular strategy won you in Chicago? The way I understand it, the only difference is that the Dems in the Windy City now expect you to bend over on your own when they decide to screw you, rather than force you like they used to.
Nothing good ever comes from cowardice. The idea that someone should ignore injustice so as to look better to the public is as asnine a statement as I have ever heard. How much respect is the public going to have for someone who gets blatantly pimp-slapped, and can only respond with "Thank you, sir, may I have another?" Democrats vote for limp-wristed weenies; Republicans never do...
--In '02 John Thune was ripped off in a very similar fraud.
---I've seen this comparison before on these threads and I think it is wrong in this case. The political dynamic is just too different between SD and WA. SD has a midwest flavor to it and could be correctly classified as moderate to conservative. A conservative running a re-match after being cheated the first time has a decent shot. WA is liberal 'Rat through and through.
Not exactly true. Only 9 counties went blue, 30 are red--
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/2004_County_Results_Final.html
With each election we're getting redder. As the sheepul wake up and begin to think they get red in the face. That's why I don't think we should offend them.
--Thune was trying for a similar position as he sought the first time out.
True
---He wants to be governor because he feels that is where he can do the most good in turning around his state.
Not true. He didn't want to run at all. George W. drafted him to run for Gov. There's a great story about his kids wanting a dog and slipping a note to Dubya on a tour of the White house.
Whoever becomes Gov faces tremendous problems. The budget is $1.8 billion in the red. Outgoing Gov Locke proposed a mondo tax increase so he could submit a balanced budget and get out of town. Both houses in Olympia are in dim hands. Gregoire is a hack government lawyer without a clue. Rossi won't be able to actually DO anything because the sheepul aren't behind him yet.
cpu
Well, I really think we should do two things:
#1. Ever hear of the walk softly, but carry a big stick? Well, here's my "big stick": Referendum on ALL Gregovych tax increases until revote. Have Mary "Marummy" Lane announce it - Chris Vance is not taken seriously by the press any more, and Rossi needs to play "good cop"... Marummy's credible and scary to the bad guys.
#2. NO CONCESSION. You read today's Seattle P-I editorial by Mark Trahant calling on Rossi to "legitimize" Gregovych's election? That's theatre of the absurd!
There was a time when I respected the Seattle P-I. That time is quickly passing...
I really don't understand this "not offend" mantra. Again, call me old-fashioned, but I think you need to do the right thing whether it offends people or not.
Sometimes people need to be offended to shake them out of their torpor. The 'Rats have refined the dumping of government largess on the sheeple (always at the expense of "someone else") to a fine art. It is a powerful narcotic. We've seen in this country the destruction of an entire racial minority result from it.
I don't think we should discount the power of individuals, perhaps taking principled stands that offend people, to effect beneficial change. History, even recent history, is replete with examples of this. I'm sure Rosa Parks offended a lot of people when she refused to take a seat in the rear of that bus. But she perceived the evil being done and took a stand, as an individual, against it. Likewise, Alan Baake was aware of the injustice being done to him and others by so-called affirmative action programs. So he stood up for himself and others against the injustice, in the face of incredibly powerful political interests, and exposed the evil to the light of day.
Not true. He didn't want to run at all. George W. drafted him to run for Gov.
Well, if its really true that he didn't want to run for Governor, it is even more unlikely that he would want to run for Senator, to those who say he should just lie down for this theft and try for that consolation (loser's) prize.
I disagree that having Rossi in Olympia would be ineffective. The Governor has tremendous influence over what goes on in the state. He could propose budgets that cut spending. He could oppose tax increases. He can make administrative decisions that trim costs. He can appoint reasonable people to positions in government, control of agencies and bureaus, etc., that will not go hog wild with burdensome regulations and unfunded mandates.
At least with Rossi, you know you'd have a chance to push for a conservative/moderate agenda. With Gregoire, it will be more of the same old liberalism, tax and spend, raise taxes to make up for shortfalls rather than cuts, etc. Of those two choices, which, in your opinion, is preferable?
---from cowardice
So you're saying I'm a coward.
---strategy won you in Chicago
I don't live in Chi, I grew up there. I live in Wa. Do you?
---pimp-slapped
I'm just going to let this go.
---Democrats vote for limp-wristed weenies; Republicans never do...
Republicans do however vote for Gentlemen (and Ladies).
Your post sounds like a rant. Please don't aim such at me Sir.
cpu
---I really don't understand this "not offend" mantra.
If you offend people then they won't vote for you (see Pat Buchanan and Ellen Craswell).
cpu
---#1. Ever hear of the walk softly, but carry a big stick? Well, here's my "big stick": Referendum on ALL Gregovych tax increases until revote. Have Mary "Marummy" Lane announce it - Chris Vance is not taken seriously by the press any more, and Rossi needs to play "good cop"... Marummy's credible and scary to the bad guys.
#2. NO CONCESSION. You read today's Seattle P-I editorial by Mark Trahant calling on Rossi to "legitimize" Gregovych's election? That's theatre of the absurd
Excellent suggestions! I agree, particularly the "Good Cop".
cpu
If a woman is getting assaulted on a city street, and the passers-by keep walking without helping, they all have some excuse. "I didn't want to put myself in danger." "It 's the police's job." "I had somewhere I had to be." No matter the excuse, the fact is that their own selfish interest prevented them from helping. We rightfully deride those people for watching a crime take place and doing nothing.
The idea that the Republican party should just sit by and watch this crime take place, regardless of what selfish benefits the party would "gain" from it, is just as reprehensible...
Thanks. You may want to pass on to the Rossi campaign your support...
I will say again, I don't think standing up for yourself is offensive. Those who find it so are either against you anyway, or just plain cowards. Lying down in the face of evil and cheating is offensive, to those who value the truth, and place some stock in personal integrity and standing up for what you believe in.
Lying down for 'Rats only makes them want to kick you in the teeth harder. If they're going to assault you anyway, at least stand on your feet and fight back, rather than slinking away with your tail between your legs like a whipped dog.
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