FEINSTEIN WILL MOVE TO ABOLISH ELECTORAL COLLEGE - (They'll never give in or give UP!)

USGOV.INFO.COM ^ | DECEMBER 27, 2004 | ROBERT LONGLEY

[Thoro]

Yes...but the electoral college votes the will of the people (i.e., the winner of the popular vote), so what does it have to do with elections being overseen by the "capable"? (if that is what you are saying)

The winner of the popular vote by each individual state. It's a state's right issue, and is precisely why it'll never be changed. Because those states without high volume population centers would be yielding their say to New York City and Los Angeles. Candidates wouldn't have to have a care about the needs of Alaska, Montana, etc., and the campaign trail would consist solely of those high volume population centers.

The founder fathers put the electoral college into the constitution with the explicit purpose of preventing mob rule. A cursory glance of French and Roman history shows how good of an idea it is.

Now only if we could get some legislature proposing the elimination of the 17th ammendment........

[Redcloak]

Hmmm... The same person who wants to disarm the American People wants to tinker with the electoral system... Lemme think... NO!

[William Tell]

kaxemma said: "but the electoral college votes the will of the people (i.e., the winner of the popular vote), ..."

But that is not what is happening. The "electors" in each state are selected by the winner's party in that state.

Let's, for sake of explanation, assume that Bush won the popular vote over Kerry by 60 million to 57 million.

Bush won the popular vote and the Electoral College will cast their votes to elect him very soon, I think (if they haven't already).

Now imagine that everybody in Kalifornia had drunk the liberal kool-aid and voted for Kerry. That would subtract from Bush and add to Kerry's popular vote about 45% of Kalifornia's voters. That would change the popular vote to approximately 55 million for Bush to 62 million for Kerry.

But there would be NO change in the Electoral College vote. The same Electors would be casting votes and Bush would become President. Our Nation's Founders did not want the President to be elected in such an unbalanced fashion. Five million extra Kalifornia liberal voters cannot dictate to the many red states in the Union. This is a good thing.

As I quoted in another posting, "democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for what to have for dinner". Our Founders purposely constructed our government to prevent this. Only a corrupt educational system allows this to be an issue. Truly educated people should laugh in Feinstein's face.

[denydenydeny]

I love when Democrats do this, because, for one thing, it unites all conservatives.

For another, it exposes the Democrats for their total hypocrisy when they swear to defend "the sacred Constitution" against, say, a Federal Marriage Amendment.

[Ready4Freddy]

The Framers didn't expect slates of electors to be beholden to political parties - they wanted the electors to be able to vote for whomever they wanted.

We need to go back to what the founders wanted.

[samadams2000]

stupid is as stupid does. do these libs really know that the constitution was established to control monsters like themselves that want to hijack the system?

I say we take that bet. They will wake up in 2008 in a daze when they lose the popular vote again despite their entrenchment in the blue states.

Then the whining will start again. Its one of lifes constants.

[television is just wrong]

He looks terrible in that pic.

[26lemoncharlie]

It will be the Hildabeast, without a doubt!!

[Wolfstar]

I would predict that it will change the US in ways that, in the end, the Democrats will hate.

No, actually they'd love it. Why? Because a few densely populated cities on both coasts will rule the nation forever more. Those cities are all that's left of the Left/Dem power base.

[Wolfstar]

They want to abolish the U.S. Constitution.

That and they want to abolish the nation period. They desire a maga-government of Leftists that would rule the world.

[Mike Bates]

He looks terrible in that pic.

That sentence can be ended after the word "terrible."

[go-dubya-04]

Yep, all those senators from small states will jump right on board this one! Then, CA and NY will decide our President and VP. Great idea, Diane!

[oldtimer]

Hell will freeze over before the States ratify a Constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college...unless the rats can put together a US Supreme Court to "interpret the meaning of the US Constitution.

We cannot rule out the destruction of our Republic while these rats are still in some forms of power.

[TomasUSMC]

IF -

Condi Rice can survive and thrive in the state department

having her on the ticket in 2008 could retake some of these urban fallujah centers we have in this country. We have got to retake the cities.

[Thoro]

But don't they already yield, in a way, because the least populated states have the fewest EC votes? Why is it not a distinction without a difference? (My math skills are awful, so I may well be missing something!!)

In a small way, yes. I believe the number of electoral votes a state has is determined by the number of senators and representatives it has, or some simple similar equation(I'm sure a fellow Freeper will correct me if I'm wrong :). Anyway, the point still stands, so let's examine the scenario. In the electoral college system, a state with a population of a dozen people will still have two senators and one representative, and therefore still have three electoral votes. In the popular system, any and all influence those twelve people have will be cancelled by two families in *any* U.S. city.

[Hu Gadarn]

True that the only true democracy that was effective was in ancient Greece Athens I think. I didn't say it would work I said that it was achievable not desirable

[antiunion person]

I have an easy resolution to our problems pertaining to demoRats. 1: Load all demoRats onto a huge ship, preferably one you don't mind losing. 2: Install a huge cork on the bottom of the ship. 3: Let the ship set sail and go 50 miles out to sea (preferably the Arctic Ocean. 4: Pull cork out of ship's button. 5: Anyone of the demoRat passengers that can swim to land can stay, all others good riddance.
P.S. Make sure all demoRat presidential candidates are the first to board the ship with Hillary and her klan following closely behind.
This is sarcasm of course with a little bit of wishful thinking.

[BoBToMatoE]

Anything that does not suit their desire for power and the command of us is "archaic."

The Bible.. the Bill of Rights (I mean the REAL one with the second amendment intact).. The Constitution its self (sans international "law practices."