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FDA Approves New Drug for Severe Pain
NY Times ^ | December 28, 2004 | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 12/28/2004 2:47:28 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Paul C. Jesup

Hey Marcus, ever been "nerved" before? I have. It's when they cut the nerves to a joint in order to give you pain relief. Of course you lose function, but it's sometimes the only choice.


41 posted on 01/04/2005 11:33:36 AM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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You're wrong. There is nothing sadistic in my comments. I do not need an explanation on pain medication.

As someone (me) who takes anti-inflamatory medication for chronic pain, I can say you don't even not what you are talking about.

Americans worship pills like the higher god. It's insane. Good marketing though......

Americans worship pills as much as they do their eye-glasses, they are just tools to make going through one's daily life easier.

Now the REAL problem on this issue is drug companies charging us U.S. citizens THREE TIMES the price in medicine they do to the rest of the world.

42 posted on 01/04/2005 11:43:30 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: blackdog

P.S. My name is Paul C. Jesup, not Marcus.


43 posted on 01/04/2005 11:47:50 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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You're making my point on the worship thing.

As for the costs of prescription medications....The rest of the world does not have an Insurance/HMO industry that's as fat as the universe is expanding, while we feed it like it's a bulemic at an all it can eat buffet. When the average working person pays a grand a month for health insurance(thru an employer), that money has to go somewhere........

I like the idea of MSA's and self purchased insurance which only kicks in after $10,000 per year of medical expenses. You still come out ahead and if we started paying cash for healthcare, the costs would free-fall.

And I'm sorry for the Marcus Welby thing......But you know nothing of my life either.

44 posted on 01/04/2005 11:52:30 AM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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You're making my point on the worship thing.

So you worship you eye-glasses, too!! 0_0

And since government created HMO's and created the problems with drug compamies with patent monopolies, it is goverment that is to blame.

45 posted on 01/04/2005 11:56:02 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: blackdog

Good Lord, man, you're a walking mess!!!


46 posted on 01/04/2005 11:59:59 AM PST by Old Professer (When the fear of dying no longer obtains no act is unimaginable.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Ted Kennedy created the HMO in the HMO act of 1974. Jokingly refered to in the healthcare profession as the "Two Bucker" patient.

No, I do not worship my eyeglasses, I do however worship the surgeon who rebuilt my orbital platform which acts as a place for my eyeball to reside with reasonable stability. For a while there, all I could see out the left side was the ceiling.

Anytime you get into a thread on prescription pills and drugs, it draws the same lines of logic. Both have their valid points, but it's limited to a crowd with bias and a dog in the fight. Truth is, we're both right and based on experiences gained by a relative few. It's not a reality of an internet forum. Case by case is not good public policy.

47 posted on 01/04/2005 12:05:32 PM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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Patent monopolies????? Uhmmmmm.....Never mind! My wife is a chemical researcher and I won't even begin to explain product development costs. An eighteen year capture on cost recovery is quite reasonable. Not to mention you can always take a patented existing drug and modify it in a meaningful way and then market it as a competitor. Take Augmentin as an example. Link an acid chain to a patented antibiotic from company A and company B now has rights as well! It also works hundreds of times better than company A's product, now almost worthless.


48 posted on 01/04/2005 12:14:05 PM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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No, I do not worship my eyeglasses, I do however worship the surgeon who rebuilt my orbital platform which acts as a place for my eyeball to reside with reasonable stability. For a while there, all I could see out the left side was the ceiling.

The explains you opinions, but surgery is usually a last resort because it is more risky compared to using medication AS IT IS INTENDED.

49 posted on 01/04/2005 12:15:36 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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Patent monopolies????? Uhmmmmm.....Never mind! My wife is a chemical researcher and I won't even begin to explain product development costs.

No wonder you are only complaining about only the insurance industries and not about the drug companies, you have a personal vested interest in the drug companies inflated pricing structure.

50 posted on 01/04/2005 12:18:55 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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And people created HMO's. Ted Kennedy only gave them what they wanted. Almost free healthcare to the individual, immune from insurance regulatory oversight and lawsuits of most types. It's a miracle that train took twenty five years to wreck. Lot's of diversion to make you look the other way as it headed closer and closer to the cliff at light speed.

HMO coverage is NOT HEALTH INSURANCE! It's a bargain contract in which many rights are tossed out to the dope signing it. All the rights are with the company issuing the contract.

51 posted on 01/04/2005 12:24:15 PM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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My wife does nothing in drug research. She makes stuff work better in industry. I just know the patent issues. They are universal.


52 posted on 01/04/2005 12:26:11 PM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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But by having HMO's uncutting the price of insurance, you have insurance companies rising their rate to cope. But by that same token, insure is an inflationary factor on prices as a whole, whether it is car insurance, home insurance or medical insurance.


53 posted on 01/04/2005 12:27:06 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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My wife does nothing in drug research. She makes stuff work better in industry. I just know the patent issues. They are universal.

If she works in the industry, then she and you have a vested interest in that industry.

54 posted on 01/04/2005 12:28:12 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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Hospitals are being closed everywhere. Entire wings are being converted to office space and massage therapy rooms with hot stones and mumbo-jumbo due to the fact that insurance companies prevent surgery when it's medically appropriate, in favor of the pill bottle we make a daily connection with.

Question..........When NFL or sports figures have a chronic injury or pain condition, how do they correct it as quickly and effectively as possible?

FRICKEN SURGERY!!!!! Sure there are post surgery meds, but they do surgery to correct stuff. Taking pills does not correct anything but mask it. I offer you the same argument on vision correction surgery which makes eyeglasses and corrective lenses obsolete. As vision technology surges forward, general medicine and surgery goes backwards. Funny huh?

55 posted on 01/04/2005 12:32:51 PM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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So I guess I have a vested dynasty in making paper towels and toilet paper.............OK!


56 posted on 01/04/2005 12:34:51 PM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

It's quite obvious I am a market force kind of person and you are a regulatory gubmint price control kind of person. Not better or worse, just philosophicaly different. Merits are for the record.


57 posted on 01/04/2005 12:40:23 PM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Are you implying that all chemical research is related to the drug industry? OMG!


58 posted on 01/04/2005 12:42:57 PM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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Hospitals are being closed everywhere. Entire wings are being converted to office space and massage therapy rooms with hot stones and mumbo-jumbo due to the fact that insurance companies prevent surgery when it's medically appropriate, in favor of the pill bottle we make a daily connection with.

Hospital closings can be blamed on a lot of things; goverment regulations & taxations, lawsuits, illegal immigrants, a corrupt press, drug companies, and insurance from both the doctor's end and the patient end.

Are you implying that all chemical research is related to the drug industry? OMG

What do you think medicines are, they are chemicals.

59 posted on 01/04/2005 2:13:17 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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Food is nothing but chemicals. Water is a chemical. Grass grows by chemical reaction. Cell division is a chemicaly driven event. The entire universe is nothing but a chemical reaction under physical forces, including the blood flowing in you veins.

You and I need a drug to deal with the long term chronic pain of this thread.

The little cell sent by your daddy that poked your mommy's ripe egg did so only because it used chemicals to win the race. The whole world as you know it is nothing but one big chemical circus.

60 posted on 01/04/2005 2:29:25 PM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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