Bush faces GOP fight over guest workers

AP via Bakersfield.com ^ | 12/27/2004 | TOM RAUM

[moehoward]

Most ignore him and his fellow pro-Illegal brethren. Same old 3 card Monty with those guys.

[Ben Ficklin]

400 Groups Endorse Ag Worker Reform Bill

There are dairymen on the list.

[itsahoot]

Before HiTech there was this....Lot cheaper than slaves plus they are a commodity in themselves.

Geese are effective weeders because they like grasses but do not like many broadleaf plants. At least in modern times, the use of geese as weeders began in the United States in the 1950s when geese were used to weed cotton fields. Since then geese have been used to weed a wide range of crops including asparagus, potatoes, fruit shrubs, nursery stock, tobacco, nut trees, grapes, fruit trees, beets, sugar beets, beans, hops, various ornamental flowers, onions and strawberries. In addition, geese can provide a second source of income in plantations by making use of the forage that grows under the principal plantation crop.

The number of geese needed per hectare for weeding depends on the level of weed growth and the crop. For a hectare of cotton, 5-6 geese are adequate while for a hectare of strawberries 6-8 geese are recommended. In addition to weeding traditional crops, geese can also be used to clean up the forage on dikes and in ditches that are difficult to access with equipment. In fact, it has been shown that white Chinese geese, if properly managed, will readily consume and control floating water hyacinth in drainage ditches.

[itsahoot]

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He also seems to be connected to the beltway here is his post...
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Trent Lott is a jerk. I had the misfortune of sitting between him, the Ambassador to St James Court and John Connelly one time at lunch.

He has the manners of an NFL defensive lineman. I shoulda worn my raincoat.

2 posted on 12/27/2004 6:55:35 PM PST by bayourod (Our troops are already securing our borders against
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1309305/posts#2

[FBD]

I suspect he's an attorney, and has done work for human resource depts of various companies.

Just a hunch, based on his posts.

[FBD]

Interesting post, thanks.
To which I might add, I love grain fed goose, stuffed with apples!

;^D

[itsahoot]

I suspect he's an attorney,

That would explain a lot. He must have a client though to be such a one note player on these threads.

[FBD]

bingo

[FBD]

>"There are dairymen on the list."<


There are a lot of liberal/socialist groups on the list as well.
Some other groups that support S. 1645 :
PEOPLE FOR THE AMERICAN WAY

TOGETHER IN AMERICA

YANKEE FARM CREDIT

SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER

NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA (NCLR)

I suppose one could make the argument that politics make for strange bed-fellows, but S. 1645 has no provision that would discourage more illegals from entering the U.S. illegally or discourage employers from hiring them.

Just as cotton and sugar cane growers had to adapt to non-slave labor, farms can also adapt to not using guest workers and illegals, imo.

[RS]

"There it is, with three university studies, pictures of mechanized harvest techniques, and links. "

There it is, your ticket to millions - simply lease these machines and go around picking crops - split the savings with the farmers - everyone is happy. John Deere will finance it for you - http://www.deere.com/en_US/jdc/product_financing/ag/index.html

... or talk the university who did these studies into doing it to help pay for it's programs



Now how about coming up with some reasons that the farmers don't do this ?
Is the entire farming industry in league with Bush, Fox and the Democrats to turn all these pickers into Dem voting citizens ?

[FBD]

>'Now how about coming up with some reasons that the farmers don't do this ?"<

- Many farms ARE doing this.

Farmers often rent or co-op with each other on equipment.

My cousins use GPS on their tractors, and run them around the clock. They also rent their combines out to other farms. Combine and tractor rental is a good business.

>"Is the entire farming industry in league with...the Democrats?"<

-In fact, many are.
In my home state, Byron Dorgen (D) is very popular with the farmers. My uncle, who owns and leases thousands of acres is a big-time democrat, and sad to say...so is my father.

A lot of farmers are in fact Democrat voters, and they've gotten used to set aside programs, etc.

As an example: farmers getting paid for NOT farming land.
I also have a cousin (a Democrat) who gets paid over ten thousand thousand a year from the Feds for his crop land to lay fallow. Meanwhile he works another job, and collects a check for doing NOTHING.
Of course there are Republican farmers who have gotten used to the govt. tit, as well.

There are better ways to rejuvenate the land without getting subsidized by the Federal govt to let land lay fallow.
Crop rotation is a very effective way. Farmers know this, but it's much cheaper and easier to just get that govt check. It's the socialist way, and the same goes for this govt subsidized guest worker program.

[RS]

"....and the same goes for this govt subsidized guest worker program."

From what you say, why are farmers needing workers anyway ?

The problem should just disappear on it's own ...


"govt subsidized guest" worker program ??? This is a new one on me - is the Government going to pay these workers ?

[FBD]

>"From what you say, why are farmers needing workers anyway"?<

-I'm not sure I understanding your question;
By that do you mean immigrant workers?:
How about I ask you a couple questions:
Why did cotton and sugar cane plantations need slave labor?
Did they survive without slaves, and how did they do it?

Answer those, and you've answered your own question.

>"govt subsidized guest" worker program ??? This is a new one on me - is the Government going to pay these workers ?"<

-In Oregon: (where I live now)

(illegal immigrants and migrant workers children get FREE (Subsidized) education;
Oregon provides English as a second language to immigrants. They are not put in full immersion.
2, Subsidized health care:
Oregon also provides them with free health care, via the Oregon Health Care Program.

If the above two programs aren't subsidies, wel then OK, I guess I'm all wet.

Gotta run, as my business isn't subsidized by the govt.
Is yours?
;^)

Regards

[Cultural Jihad]

Thanks for the ping and thanks for letting us know that there is somebody on this forum who doesn't appreciate the 2nd Amendment.

What a hypocritical statement, seeing that people regularly come to whiney threads such as these advocating all sorts of Stormfront-approved crimes against the Bill of Rights, and there's never a peep from any of the Border-Wedgies. As an example, someone advocated deporting businessmen in his zeal to see that misdemeanors are not committed, and he ends up advocating violent felonies, and the hypocritical silence which follows is deafening.

[ravingnutter]

The criminal element are sitting in jails on both of our dime's.

If they are identified properly as illegals, they are deported upon completing their sentence under a new program run by ICE's Office of Detention and Removal Operations. Improvements have been made in the system, you and some of the others on this thread just seem to be looking for a 100%, overnight solution, which is unrealistic.

Why do you think so many hospitals are closing? it is not only med mal cases, there are literally billions in emergency room care that goes unreimbursed because they can't refuse to treat illegals.

Then it is time to write your Congress person to demand action. A bill was just defeated in the house in May of this year that would have required hospitals report illegals. If more people kept up with and lobbied for such bills, it would not have been defeated.

[RS]

"Why did cotton and sugar cane plantations need slave labor?"

Slaves were the cheapest way of producing at the time.


"Did they survive without slaves, and how did they do it?"

Many of them didn't...

BTW you picked cotton and sugar cane - both of which are easily mechanically picked as the plant is processed anyway. ( how much cotton and sugar cane does Oregon produce ? )

Fruit to be processed can be mechanicaly picked in many cases, but the fresh ones you buy in baskets rather then cans are most likely hand picked.

... and again, if what you say is completely true - WHY are Oregon farmers using immigrant workers ? ( and do the workers really spend a lot of time in school ? )

[chris1]

They are released after the sentence. A violent felon convicted to 8 years will cost a fortune in legal fees, admin costs, and 30k per year in correctional facility costs.

Why don't we demand immediate deportation or something like that? Or that these countries extradite these criminals back home before we have to continue to pay for them?

[FBD]

All of the below articles I linked to were regarding fruits - berries, oranges, apples, coffee, etc.
If you took the time to read the articles I linked to, rather than just being contentious with me, you wouldn't be asking me the same questions over and over.

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Oregon State University:
“Mechanical berry harvesting research being done at Oregon State University:
http://berrygrape.oregonstate.edu/fruitgrowing/berrycrops/blueberry/mech.htm

"…Past evaluations of mechanical harvesters indicate that considerable cost savings may be realized by using mechanical harvesters…"

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"An Eye to the Future"
http://www.oxbocorp.com/

Oranges:
"A mechanical harvester costs about $200,000, and replaces 20 to 30 hand harvesters who earn an average $7,000; growers need at least 600 acres to justify the machine. The Coe Orchard trunk-shaker harvests 240 to 480 boxes an hour, while the average hand harvester picks nine boxes an hour."

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Ohio State:
http://ohioline.osu.edu/rc299/rc299_8.html

"Mechanical harvest systems for blueberries and brambles (raspberries and blackberries) have gained wide acceptance in recent years due to the increased demand for both fresh market and processed berries, the increased acreage planted to berry crops, the scarcity of seasonal labor, and the need to reduce production costs in a competitive world market. "

Such simple systems increased harvest efficiency (time) by more than 250% and reduced harvest cost by 55%"

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I'm out,
take care.

[Missouri]

someone advocated deporting businessmen

CJ, Why don't you address the individual who advocated this instead of me? I never said this.

advocating all sorts of Stormfront-approved crimes against the Bill of Rights

A.M., how much longer is CJ and Bayourod are going to get away this kind of slander? I have an uncle who killed more Nazis in one engagement during WW2 than these two have encountered in their whole lives. They wouldn't know a Nazi if one goosesteped them in their behinds.

This kind of inflammatory rhetoric is uncalled for and it needs to be addressed. Or maybe that is the plan to get these threads pulled.

[ravingnutter]

What you refuse to accept is the fact that these people do not want to be part of the tax base, as you call it. They want to work for cash sdo as to be able to to send it home. Unscrupulous Employers will continue to hire illegals aliens so as to avoid paying payroll taxes, worker's comp. etc etc.

Well, then I suggest you write your Congress person and support mandatory implementation of the Basic Pilot Program. It is already in place, and was just expanded in 2003 to include all states, so the cost would be minimal to make it mandatory. Another suggestion is to join groups like FAIR and keep up with current legislation so you can lobby Congress.