Bush faces GOP fight over guest workers

AP via Bakersfield.com ^ | 12/27/2004 | TOM RAUM

[itsahoot]

You had BETTER ping for help, you need it.

Send me a check then, other wise you are not a true compassionate conservative.</sarcasm>

[Cultural Jihad]

Nothing in the poorly-written article states he was convicted of a felony and released from prison to society rather than deported.

[international american]

I presumed that was one of Danes more brilliant statments.

[bill1952]

Sir, if that ever happens, I will help you find work. 8^)

[bill1952]

it is the United States that prohibits dual citizenship

I keep reading that, but it seems that a whole lot of people do, eg, pamela anderson is getting her American citizenship so that she can vote here, without renouncing her Canadian citizenship.

Anyone have a clarification? Marine Inspector?

[Marine Inspector]

I'm not sure of the exact law, but we (CBP) don’t recognize dual citizenship.

If a person is a United States citizen, then that is what we consider them, regardless of any other citizenship they may hold.

IMO, that's wrong. Dual citizenship ranks right up there with hyphenated Americans. It creates people that are confused about their loyalties.

Here is a link I just discovered: http://www.richw.org/dualcit/

[bill1952]

Not a good joke, just a joke.

How about a starting point that anyone in the country illegally be banned from citizenship forever, ipso facto?"

Since I believe that you have to be caught more than once to be guilty of more than a civil offense, this is, without a doubt, within the realm of possibility.

Also get rid of the nonsense about law enforcement not being able to inquire about status, and that will go a very long way to solve the problem.

We have aided and abetted this problem by our present policies, and we can realize that, and change that.

[bill1952]

Why not deport tax-cheaters, freeway speeders, and jaywalkers, too?

Because we can't. That is not in the purview of our Government to do.

We can deport non-citizens who are here illegally with impunity if we so choose.

[Marine Inspector]

How about a starting point that anyone in the country illegally be banned from citizenship forever, ipso facto?"

I would go for that.

[FITZ]

US Citizens cannot become Mexican citizens.

Actually you can --- but THEY expect you to follow the rules.

[Cultural Jihad]

That is not in the purview of our Government to do.

Undoubtedly. I was only mentioning such things as tax-cheaters and speeders because someone else was claiming that businessmen should be deported for supposed collusion in immigration fraud.

[FITZ]

Anyone that does not apply for legal status within a certain period of time will be deported if caught.

If it's so impossible to deport them now --- what suddenly makes it so possible to deport them then? The Mexican government does not believe that Bush will ever deport anyone under this proposal and it definitely does not believe Bush about the 3 years guest status. It's the Mexican government ramming this thing through --- and they definitely would not if it meant any Mexicans would be going home.

[FITZ]

Maybe something like an Oil for Illegals program.

It's funny whenever that gets proposed --- it's like all the members of the Mexican government go into some kind of hat dance --- frothing at the mouth and everything else --- no --- all that money from oil goes into just a few pockets --- one reason they don't want a middle class over there. They might have nationalized oil companies --- but the money isn't to pay for their citizens over there or over here. Nationalized in Mexico means a very few benefit --- but very greatly.

[FITZ]

I agree 100%. Dane's newest diversion is unions.

Which makes no since at all since Mexico is far more unionized than is the USA.

[janetgreen]

The Mexican government has been mostly silent on the issue.

Mexico to America - "Do what I SAY, NOT what I do"...

[bill1952]

Oh, I should have made it clear that I agree with your sentiment.

Strangely, I am one who still believes that being an American should mean something in America.

That would include not being able to deport me after being found guilty of something.

[JustAnotherSavage]

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Congressman Wally Herger (R) California says Pres. Bush’s plan is Amnesty!

I just got a copy of the following letter from a friend.
______________________________________________________
Congress of the United States
House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515-0502

Dec. 14, 2004

Dear [Constituent];
Thank you for contacting me regarding efforts to grant amnesty to aliens illegally living in the United States. I value your point of view, and I appreciate the opportunity to respond.

Legislation has been proposed to allow a blanket amnesty to those persons who have chosen to unlawfully enter the United States and who have stayed despite laws, which prohibit this behaviour.

This proposal causes me great concern. Most of us were immigrants to this country at some time in our family’s past. This does not, however, justify rewarding the illegal activity of contemporary migrants with instant citizenship. While many thousands of legal aliens wait extremely long periods of time (often up to nine years)
for their immigration status to be processed lawfully, it would be unfair and unwise of us to grant amnesty to those who have betrayed our trust and have broken our laws.

I have successfully fought in the past to pass legislation that fundamentally reformed our immigration system, and I will continue to fight toward this end. Illegal immigration costs California taxpayers alone over $3 billion each year. While our reforms have made a critical first step toward reducing this burden, our job is far from complete. As Congress considers any Administration amnesty request, we will need to make some though decisions about the effectiveness of such a program on reducing illegal immigration into the United States..............

Sincerely,
Wally Herger
Member of Congress
____________________________________
Congressional Switchboard: 1-877-762-8762
Find your reps at www.house.gov


Letters and faxes are making a difference!

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: We can deport non-citizens who are here illegally with impunity if we so choose.

We can for sure. A Bush administration official in a visit to Mexico City even warned the corrupt [my word] government of Mexico that the American public may grow angry enough to intern Mexicans living in the U.S. -- this concerned the corrupt [my word] government of Mexico's refusal to support our efforts to defend against radical muslims.

www.economist.com/cities/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1608395

At first I was for deporting them all. No longer. I've learned some about the rest of the story.

Many are self-supporting with full time jobs, homes,families, the works. These people and the ones who come for seasonal work (temporary) should be separate from the criminals and rowdy day laborers.

The latter two groups can be deported. Good.

The others met their obligations and our government made a commitment to them, IMO. They were virtually invited to come, they were virtually assured that they will be safe -- we do not enforce our immigration laws, business and government saw to that.

I do not support "guest workers" but I have come to believe that it can be handled using current laws, etc.

[FITZ]

Congressman Wally Herger (R) California says Pres. Bush’s plan is Amnesty!

Vicente Fox and the Mexican government also believe it's an amnesty ---- they're pushing it like they figure it's going to get them a whole lot more slots over here for their unwanted people. No way would Vicente Fox be trying to ram this through if he believed the part of the 3 year stay here or that background checks would place any limits on what comes over.