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NYT: If Home Prices Plunge, Will Damage Be Worst in Democratic States? (a public service message?)
New York Times ^ | December 24, 2004 | FLOYD NORRIS

Posted on 12/24/2004 6:43:51 AM PST by OESY

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This conjures up the age-old questions: If the world were to end, who would be hurt most? How many pinheads at the Times can dance on meadow muffins?
1 posted on 12/24/2004 6:43:52 AM PST by OESY
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Will Damage Be Worst in Democratic States?

You have to ask? Any time something bad happens, Democrats are ALWAYS the hardest hit. It's like a law or something.

2 posted on 12/24/2004 6:52:51 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: OESY

New York Times headline above the fold for the apocalypse:

"World Ends: Minorities Hit Hardest"


3 posted on 12/24/2004 6:54:21 AM PST by RBroadfoot
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"In California, the median-price home costs $460,000, and the state association of Realtors says only 19 percent of the state's residents earn enough to afford to buy such a home.

Only 19% earn enough to afford those prices so what do the rest of the people do? Rent? There is no way that homes in California would ever drop to a more affordable price again like say $150k for a 3 bedroom.

4 posted on 12/24/2004 6:57:06 AM PST by stopem
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Any time something bad happens, Democrats are ALWAYS the hardest hit. It's like a law or something.

When the housing prices go down in Democrat states it will be W's fault. Clinton would have done better. That's another law or something. If the prices go down in Republican states it will serve them right. They should have voted for Kerry. It was in their best interest. Those red state voters were just to stupid to realize it. They watch too much Fox News.

5 posted on 12/24/2004 6:57:29 AM PST by mathprof
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To: stopem

Remember median doesn't mean average.


6 posted on 12/24/2004 7:00:25 AM PST by Red Dog #1
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...There is no way that homes in California would ever drop to a more affordable price again like say $150k for a 3 bedroom.

Well they sure did take a tumble in Southern California after the Northridge earthquake in 1994. Look for the same thing to happen with the next one too.

7 posted on 12/24/2004 7:04:02 AM PST by sangoo
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In California, the median-price home costs $460,000,

The prices of homes in our area has tripled in the past 3 to 4 years.

8 posted on 12/24/2004 7:05:49 AM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (.God bless our military.)
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To: stopem

The rest of the people bought their houses a long time ago, when prices were much lower.


9 posted on 12/24/2004 7:09:03 AM PST by proxy_user
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"In California, the median-price home costs $460,000, and the state association of Realtors says only 19 percent of the state's residents earn enough to afford to buy such a home.

The mortgage would have to be $4000-$5000 a month. I don't see how anyone, other than those at the top of the economic ladder, could afford such as home.

10 posted on 12/24/2004 7:15:53 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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The rest of the people bought their houses a long time ago, when prices were much lower.

Right. It means that a large number of people are living in homes with $300K+ "current market value", which they bought years ago for $150K. It also means that the high prices are only sustainable if not too many people try to cash out. If lots of people try to cash out on their paper gains, the bubble will burst.

This means that if you are retired and thinking of moving out of California or other high-price market, the time to do so is now

11 posted on 12/24/2004 7:21:54 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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The 12 states with the smallest gains all backed Mr. Bush....Over all, states that supported Senator John Kerry averaged a 47 percent rise, while prices in Bush states climbed 24 percent.

All this means is that the Kerry states mostly have densly populated urban areas, so there's greater pressure on land prices. A lot of those higer priced homes cost far more than comparable homes in less populated areas.

The NYT is really reaching, clearly exhibiting frustration and attempting to politicize everything. They see Bush behind every tree (no pun intended). I suppose they could find similar patterns in just about any kind of market if they look hard enough. What a piece of garbage that paper is.

12 posted on 12/24/2004 7:22:07 AM PST by Starboard
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When the housing prices go down in Democrat states it will be W's fault.

What the article conveniently ignores is that when property taxes go up (disproportionately) in the blue states, then who's fault is it? Applying the NYT's logic, it would have to be the Dems' fault.

13 posted on 12/24/2004 7:29:22 AM PST by Starboard
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It's like a law or something

They are all professional victims.

14 posted on 12/24/2004 7:54:03 AM PST by Podkayne
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This means that if you are retired and thinking of moving out of California or other high-price market, the time to do so is now.

Median house prices are climbing rapidly (2003 $133k, 2004$167k) in the Kansas City - low cost-of-living area. It's due to the constant increase in demand due to a constant increase in immigration and population increase. Red States have more babies and there's only so much real estate.

15 posted on 12/24/2004 7:57:02 AM PST by Podkayne
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To the extent DemoRat states are undesirable places to live, home prices will indeed fall. For example, New York with layer upon layer of taxes and a huge welfare population in NYC, or Massachusetts where the people are so smart they keep re-electing fools and frauds such as Kerry, Kennedy, and Barney Frank! The future is in the so-called "red" states, aka Bush Land!


16 posted on 12/24/2004 8:04:50 AM PST by foofoopowder
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...what do the rest of the people do? Rent?

...or move back with the folks. I don't wish 'the investors' bad tidings, but one of my prayers for this Christmas is a home for those that need them, and payments that won't strap their budgets.

A home is a place to feel safe and warm at night, not an 'investment'. Those in power (including realtors) should stop boosting prices, if they really care about AFFORDABLE housing.


17 posted on 12/24/2004 8:32:50 AM PST by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: stopem

One question is, why does it cost so much to build a home? It isn't just raw materials - lumber, sheetrock, concrete. What is it?


18 posted on 12/24/2004 8:35:33 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

You are not considering all those who currently own a highly appreciated home buying up.

Always remember, in California, 20+ million more residents will be living in the state in addition to the 35 million current residents over the next 20 years. These folks will probably like to live in something other than empty refrig boxes.

A lot of housing will convert into rentals, a lot more new housing will be constructed and the median price of homes will continue to rise. Buy now...it'll just cost more later.


19 posted on 12/24/2004 8:39:45 AM PST by patientgambler
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

Some families, who shall remain nameless (but moved north to Caliornia), stay together in one home. My neighbor (with 3 grown sons and their families)after several years of combined incomes, sold that home and, as I understand it, each bought their own home.

Actually pretty smart, if you can humble yourself for that long.


20 posted on 12/24/2004 8:41:18 AM PST by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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