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Parachute System Can Save Small Planes
Yahoo! Finance ^ | December 22, 2004 | Ted Bridis

Posted on 12/23/2004 6:21:20 AM PST by MississippiMasterpiece

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1 posted on 12/23/2004 6:21:20 AM PST by MississippiMasterpiece
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To: gohot
Cirrus makes excellent aircraft. Bush visited their factory in Minnesota during his campaign
3 posted on 12/23/2004 6:32:00 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: gohot
I like this part: "Aviation experts question whether parachutes will ever be attached to the largest passenger jets, such as the Boeing 747, which weighs more than 900,000 pounds. "The speed and weight of those planes would seem to preclude a system like that," said James Hall, former chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board."

What avaiation "expert" would even suggest think this would work on a 747? why not just install 300 ejection seats?
4 posted on 12/23/2004 6:35:20 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: Southack

If you aren't aware of these yet, you should be.


5 posted on 12/23/2004 6:37:25 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: MississippiMasterpiece
The families said the pilot, a plastic surgeon who bought the plane six days earlier, tried to open the parachute but it failed.

Do doctors have a high crash rate?

6 posted on 12/23/2004 6:37:31 AM PST by demlosers
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To: MississippiMasterpiece
$16,000 for a parachute. Seems like a lot. I'll bet at $4,000 or more gets set aside into a Successful Lawyers Account.

It's reserved for 'hired guns' to protect the company from lawyers who don't care how much they stifle innovation or who they hurt in their quest for the combination to the company bank account. Much like bank robbers of old, we ought to start killing them as they ride into town.

7 posted on 12/23/2004 6:39:18 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberalism has metastasized into a dangerous neurosis which threatens the nation's security)
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To: jaydubya2

Parachute(s) could come in handy for larger planes that have crash, horizontal landings.


8 posted on 12/23/2004 6:41:16 AM PST by demlosers
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To: jaydubya2

Somebody invents a parachute system that saves a certain percentage of lives that would otherwise be lost, but because it can't save EVERYONE it's unfair, flawed, and therefore useless. It's like the arguments against missile defense: you can't stop EVERY missile, so it's useless. If a drug helps 1,000,000 people and kills 1, it's too dangerous. Using this logic, eventually trial lawyers will end vaccinations in this country.


9 posted on 12/23/2004 6:43:29 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: demlosers
"Do doctors have a high crash rate?"
I think the popular theory would indicate they do. Lots of money to afford a high performance aircraft, but little time to hone their flying skills. JFK Jr. syndrome.
10 posted on 12/23/2004 6:44:44 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: gohot

It's a shame there is no mechanism where this company can be paid the big bucks for everyone they save, to offset the big bucks they will lose for everyone they fail to save...

How about this. A company installs parachutes on airplanes for free. But if you pull the handle and it saves you, you owe that company a million bucks. Naaaah, that's too much thinking to do on the way down.

I remember the story about the man who first discovered how to recover from a flat spin. During WWI, a pilot went into a flat spin at altitude which was thought to be unrecoverable. He got tired of waiting for death, so he nosed the plane down to hurry the process along, and discovered how to recover from the spin by accident.


11 posted on 12/23/2004 6:47:05 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: You Dirty Rats
If you follow aviation stories, you'll see there are a lot of ridiculous lawsuits pending and uninformed jurors are persuaded by John Edward type lawyers to rule against aircraft manufacturers.
12 posted on 12/23/2004 6:49:51 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: gohot
The first person SAVED by this invention was the inventor himself when his ultra-light wings collapsed.

Actually, he didn't have a parachute then, but thought about it on the way down and sure wished he did. Saw him interviewed on "Wings" or some such show.

13 posted on 12/23/2004 6:50:44 AM PST by Mr Ducklips
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To: MississippiMasterpiece
I had BRS (3) systems on all of my ultralights - cheap insurance indeed, but nothing is perfect. Anything that increases your chances of surviving a catastrophic failure or uncontrolled flight condition is a good thing.
14 posted on 12/23/2004 6:50:51 AM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: jaydubya2
Cirrus makes excellent aircraft. Bush visited their factory in Minnesota during his campaign

A preemptive defense of a product that may not be that safe?

Do you think that maybe the reason Cirrus includes a parachute is because the plane is unrecoverable from a spin?

If a plane is capable of recovering from a spin, why would anyone want to pull a chute and crash land with the resulting damage?

15 posted on 12/23/2004 6:56:11 AM PST by LeGrande
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To: demlosers

The reason you so frequently hear of professionals like doctors and lawyers crashing is that they have the money to get themselves into an airplane, usually a higher performance airplane. But all the money in the world will not buy talent, experience or judgement.


16 posted on 12/23/2004 6:59:17 AM PST by Pylot
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To: demlosers

Excellent thought.

I would guess that it's rare that commercial jets have "fall out of the sky" accidents where a paracute would need to return the jet gently to earth. I would guess that most jet accidents are on take-off and landing, in which case a drag chute would offer the pilot an option to minimize loss of life.


17 posted on 12/23/2004 7:05:52 AM PST by kidd
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To: LeGrande
"A preemptive defense of a product that may not be that safe? Do you think that maybe the reason Cirrus includes a parachute is because the plane is unrecoverable from a spin? If a plane is capable of recovering from a spin, why would anyone want to pull a chute and crash land with the resulting damage?"

I rode in a Cirrus and it is a beautiful aircraft. I am not aware of any spin problem. Some aircraft are placarded prohibiting even practicing spins, such as the Vee tail Bonanza. The FAA does not require spin training for a pilots license anymore (some consider this a dangerous omission). I think Cirrus put it on their plane to increase sales. And considering spins are no longer taught, an aircraft purchaser might like the idea of having a chute in case they get over their head.
18 posted on 12/23/2004 7:11:17 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: demlosers

"Do doctors have a high crash rate?"

It seems they do. They can afford a plane but fly it so little that most never see 30 hours a year. Their arrogance towards learning to fly shows as well. Being doctors, they think flying is such a trivial matter that they fail to pay attention to the details that will kill them.


19 posted on 12/23/2004 7:37:54 AM PST by shellshocked
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To: jaydubya2
The FAA does not require spin training for a pilots license anymore (some consider this a dangerous omission). I think Cirrus put it on their plane to increase sales. And considering spins are no longer taught, an aircraft purchaser might like the idea of having a chute in case they get over their head.

Spins no longer taught? or Required to get the PPL? Tell you what, come out to Utah and I will teach you how to recover from a spin. Your license is just a permit to continue to learn : )

The Cirrus has too small of a rudder to recover from a serious spin. So they put the parachute in to compensate, then they try to promote it as a safety feature. The parachute exempts the plane from the FAA requirements that the plane be demonstrated to be able to recover from a spin.

I don't have a beef with Cirrus or parachutes (I have used a few). It is just that I think it only helps in a very narrow range of possibilities. If you stall close to the ground - say turning on final, where most stalls occur the parachute won't do you any good. If you have a fire the parachute will actually help roast you. About the only scenario that I think the parachute is good for is a structural failure and those are very rare.

20 posted on 12/23/2004 7:42:13 AM PST by LeGrande
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