Neocons vs. Rumsfeld

townhall.com ^ | 12/23/04 | Robert Novak

[Grampa Dave]

Fantastic! Thanks for posting this. What is/was this jackass's relationship with McAinal?

[Paul Ross]

Frank Gaffney was never a "NeoCon" nor is he a "Chickenhawk", whatever is implied therein.

[Paul Ross]

Bump about Perle. He would sell us out to the Chinese in a Shanghai Minute. Oops. He already has.

[Grampa Dave]

That new deck would be a deck full of Jokers,, how would we tell them apart.? ;-)

The faces of Kristol and McAinal and the other Rinos who hate GW are easy to recognize. So we could have about a dozen jokers or maybe an entire deck of 52.

[Paul Ross]

Could Saddam Hussein have been removed from power by other means? Is the use of U.S. military power to topple undemocratic regimes good policy? There are no clear answers.

Earth to Robert Novak:

The answers are, respectively, NO (Remember the UN Oil For Fraud Program that Saddam literally 'ran' from Baghdad?) and,

YES. Maybe we should have left Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, and the Taliban in power along with the Soviet Union.

So the fact is, Mr. Novak, certain things do appear to be rather clear...

[BigSkyFreeper]

Frank Gaffney was never a "NeoCon" nor is he a "Chickenhawk", whatever is implied therein.

Never said he was, you only assumed I said it, which I didn't.

[monday]

"Kristol a manipulative political operative, critiquing the war in Iraq after years of promoting it."

This is exactly right. Kristol is blaming Rumsfield for his and his fellow neocons stupidity.

He is a whiny little cr@p weasel who refuses to take responsibility for his own mistakes. Why anyone ever listened to him is a mystery to me. Bush and Rumsfield's only mistake was listening to this turnip head in the first place.

[Paul Ross]

I only mention it because he was in the organizational chart in some capacity.

[roses of sharon]

More claptrap from East Coast Elite "journalists" who believe they still make policy with gossip.

Their 30 year bubble over us is busted.

Common sense, maturity, logic and facts, will prevail if we keep our heads.

[avg_freeper]

The use of the word "neocon" is an implicit sign of stupidity. Those that use it might as well wear a sign around their neck that states:

      please
speak slowly
        and
use small words

For the author to offer it up as the first word in his article's title is to revel in his doltish nature.

[cynicom]

Kristol is a communist in conservative drag.

[BigSkyFreeper]

I only mention it because he was in the organizational chart in some capacity.

Fine and dandy. I've only singled out those who've piled onto the "Get Rumsfeld's Head On A Pike" bandwagon. Maybe you don't care, but I don't care if it's Republican, Democrat, Liberal or Conservative. There's no reason to be piling on Rumsfeld, who was absolutely correct in his answer to the soldier at that town hall meetinga couple weeks ago.

[Paul Ross]

Kristol a manipulative political operative, critiquing the war in Iraq after years of promoting it."

Notice how Kristol doesn't seem to be going after Colin Powell or Paul Bremer who respectively kept us from using as an immediate Interim Government, the Iraqi National Congress...which Rumsfeld had all ready to go as a replacement?

Instead, by letting the Iraqi's set up their own constitution first, it took an additional year of unnecessary wrangling. And for sure we should not have lingered with the process once we had Saddam. We should have just installed the moderates with a constitution, and walked away with some treaty and basing rights. And some oil would not have hurt either.

But no, they want to lay the whole rap on Rumsfeld. We could quintuple our forces in Iraq, and probably still not drastically lower ultimate casualties. We might finish sooner, but as long as Powell was messing around with this dithering time-wasting process, that was unlikely.

[ApesForEvolution]

William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard. His position was, in effect, a declaration of war by the neoconservatives against the secretary of defense.

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Little william can suck my toes...Rummyphobia is a RINO-RAT disease...and McCain, Hagle, Collins, Vacant Lott - they can all rot in hades. Shi*birds, all of them.

[Paul Ross]

Both Frank Gaffney and Ken Adelman have expressly defended Rumsfeld with columns and opinion pieces. If they are underneath "General Kristol" then they are not following orders.

[ApesForEvolution]

If I were little william, I'd be thinking about the EU as a new home...

[MEG33]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1307217/posts
Victor Davis Hanson: Leave Rumsfeld Be, He is not to blame for our difficulties
NRO ^ | 12/23/2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

[Grampa Dave]

Excellent summary re Rummy Phobia:

Little william can suck my toes...Rummyphobia is a RINO-RAT disease...and McCain, Hagle, Collins, Vacant Lott - they can all rot in hades. Shi*birds, all of them.

[ApesForEvolution]

RIN-O-RATs suffer from Rummyphobia BTTT

[verity]

Has Kristol ever been gainfully employed?