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The End of the World: Why do end-of-time beliefs endure?
The Economist ^ | December 16, 2004 | Staff

Posted on 12/21/2004 2:48:52 PM PST by MississippiMasterpiece

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To: infidel29

Only books that differ are a few in The Old Testament, not the actual teachings of Christ in The New Testament.


21 posted on 12/21/2004 3:51:05 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: MississippiMasterpiece
Heed ye the words of Lord Ignatz:

The Universe you perceive is but part of a Macro Universe-just as the Micro Universe is part of yours. All that you see through telescopes,or perceive with Einsteinian equations,is but a tiny bubble of flatulence in the intestinal tract of a dragon in the Macro Universe: called by some The Great Serpent;by others The Midgaard Serpent;by yet others The Wing-ed Serpent;by Asiatics The Dragon.

In the fullness of time,all that you can see and can imagine will exit noisomely from the Macro Beast:collapsing your myriad worlds upon themselves-yet,the contents shall live on:

dissipating,coalescing,swirling,rising,falling,expanding,contracting for evermore.

Thus spake Lord Ignatz.

22 posted on 12/21/2004 3:56:52 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: highflight
No-one living at this moment will be here in one hundred years.

Oh ye of little faith! I think medical science is full of miracles yet to come.

$100? There are better investments out there. :)

23 posted on 12/21/2004 3:57:03 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: A CA Guy

I think most believe in the End Times now because of the infestation of Homosexuals trying to take over so to speak the break down in morality, and when you talk to most people they cannot see a brighter future?

What is it we are looking forward to? most people are just surviving now a days people do not have that inner happiness they might of had long ago so I think people are waiting for the End to Come so we all truly find that PEACE and HAPPINESS everyone in the world wants...


24 posted on 12/21/2004 3:57:32 PM PST by missyme
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To: eccentric

Ok - I'll up the ante based on the increased life expectancy for the past century. 150 years.

But I hope you're not counting on stem cell research!!!!!!!!


25 posted on 12/21/2004 4:00:12 PM PST by highflight (from a distance - buzzards might appear as eagles.)
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To: eccentric
I dated a "born again" Evangelical for a while some years ago, her bible was significantly thinner than mine (the KJR Catholic version). She said that several books were removed because the authors of those books weren't overcome with "divine inspiration" when they were written. I'm wondering how do the "powers that be" know if they were overcome with divine inspiration or not. Or if any biblical authors were for that matter... maybe it was gas?

I realize that's pretty irreverent, but honestly who are any (modern peples) to truly say under what conditions the books were written?

26 posted on 12/21/2004 4:00:18 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT - B.F)
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To: Esther Ruth

In what year was the Book of Revelation set to page, and whose hand physically wielded the pen that did so?


27 posted on 12/21/2004 4:07:23 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: infidel29
I don't know what Bible your friend would have had that would have appeared thinner because of 'removed' books. The few of The Old Testament are very small. And I don't know of any religion that has removed books from The New Testament.

The major differences in the sizes of Bibles is the extra's they have inculded such as references, study guide, commentaries, maps, etc.

28 posted on 12/21/2004 4:12:26 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: infidel29
The Roman Catholic Bible is the text in question. Perhaps a quick exploration before a snappy religious snub would make one look less... well you know what kind of person that is. Relax and learn a bit instead of being spoonfed. Open a NIV version and realize the care and comparitive analysisLOL... Or.. be afraid to learn and just keep snapping. Perhaps the KJ bibles do not include Pauls urgent plea I Thess 5.21: " Test everything. Hold on to the good." Or Luke who praised the careful and thorough Bereans in Acts 17:11 "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

The Greek text which stands behind the King James Bible is demonstrably inferior in certain places. The man who edited the text was a Roman Catholic priest and humanist named Erasmus.1 He was under pressure to get it to the press as soon as possible since (a) no edition of the Greek New Testament had yet been published, and (b) he had heard that Cardinal Ximenes and his associates were just about to publish an edition of the Greek New Testament and he was in a race to beat them. Consequently, his edition has been called the most poorly edited volume in all of literature! It is filled with hundreds of typographical errors which even Erasmus would acknowledge. Two places deserve special mention. In the last six verses of Revelation, Erasmus had no Greek manuscript (=MS) (he only used half a dozen, very late MSS for the whole New Testament any way). He was therefore forced to ‘back-translate’ the Latin into Greek and by so doing he created seventeen variants which have never been found in any other Greek MS of Revelation! He merely guessed at what the Greek might have been. Secondly, for 1 John 5:7-8, Erasmus followed the majority of MSS in reading “there are three witnesses in heaven, the Spirit and the water and the blood.” However, there was an uproar in some Roman Catholic circles because his text did not read “there are three witnesses in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit.” Erasmus said that he did not put that in there... Blah blah blah http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=665

29 posted on 12/21/2004 4:13:55 PM PST by momincombatboots (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: infidel29

Well, if it is The Holy, God Breathed Inspired Word of God, I will just like a child, have to trust Him, that He will give me His complete Word, why would He not. He does say "That the grass will whither and flowers fade, but His Word will last forever." Such things as you have mentioned, the rapture, that one must be born again - are no different in any the Bible versions you mentioned, are they? Does the Catholic Bible use the words "you must be born again"? These are in John 3:3, John 3:17 and 1 Peter 1:23.


30 posted on 12/21/2004 4:28:55 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: Giant Conservative
I believe it was John the apostle in about the 90's, while he was in prison.
31 posted on 12/21/2004 4:32:29 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: momincombatboots

Before you throw out accusations of closed mindedness, fear or a "spoonfed" existance, realize that I've studied religions from Daoism to the moonies to Christianity, Shinto, Zen and others. I have a cousin who has been a bible scholar for years, many in the Vatican and has met the Pope. I've taken tidbits from many religious beliefs. I do not adhere to the strictures of ANY singular faith because, being administered by man, inspired or not, they are all flawed. No one faith can claim the "Truth" and back it up. I am human and therefore I am flawed, I can only believe what God tells me through my own prayers, readings and dreams. I believe the Bible tells a story and teaches through the words of God through Christ. It also gives us laws, insights, and first hand experience, but should not be taken literally in all cases. I try to live a good life as beat I can, I try not to tell anyone that what I believe is penultimate, and I try not to insult someone else's beliefs (I can't say I succeed daily in this endeavor, but I'm human).


32 posted on 12/21/2004 4:32:39 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT - B.F)
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To: A CA Guy
From what I've read, every existing generation believes THEY are in end times.

Probably. Then too, the end of the world could come for any one of us tomorrow. Gotta keep your bags packed and be ready to go.

33 posted on 12/21/2004 4:37:00 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Because we know at the center of the soul what will come and aren't aware we know it?

34 posted on 12/21/2004 4:39:46 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: highflight
No-one living at this moment will be here in one hundred years.

Maybe, but people sometimes live longer than 100 years. As long as human life is possible on this planet, this circumstance will probably continue.

35 posted on 12/21/2004 4:41:35 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: infidel29
" but honestly who are any (modern peples) to truly say under what conditions the books were written?

an outstanding, objective, non-evangelical book:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684815036/qid=1103676788/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-4833519-2085531?v=glance&s=books

36 posted on 12/21/2004 4:54:42 PM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: theFIRMbss
December 21, 2004, 11:55:02 Enrique Iglesias and Anna Kournikova have not married, sources have claimed.

Christmas did come early!

37 posted on 12/21/2004 4:57:22 PM PST by Always Right
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To: MississippiMasterpiece

Could Christians here please tell me.... how could any rational Christian believe that carrying a chip with your medical records requires you to serve the Devil??? Isn't Christianity a religion of faith alone....


38 posted on 12/21/2004 5:09:55 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

"Could Christians here please tell me.... how could any rational Christian believe that carrying a chip with your medical records requires you to serve the Devil??? Isn't Christianity a religion of faith alone...."

It's a sovereignty issue in the spiritual realm. Actions are a result of faith or the lack thereof....


39 posted on 12/21/2004 5:21:23 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly hammer on the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
The belief is the medical version of the chip is only the beginning. The addition of nano-technology to the chip could be applied to national ID cards that could give off a signal acting as a GPS. This same technology is also being investigated for banking records with MAC or check cards.

The book of Revelations warns of a time when mankind cannot buy or sell without bearing the mark of the beast. An implanted chip containing all of a persons financial records as well as medical records and National ID could very well be such a mark. Some say.

40 posted on 12/21/2004 5:25:29 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT - B.F)
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