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The West's Growing Disillusionment with Vladimir Putin
GOPUSA ^ | 12/20/04 | Carol Devine-Molin

Posted on 12/20/2004 3:12:04 AM PST by tornado100

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To: MarMema
"Clearly, Putin really doesn't grasp what freedom is all about"(said by another poster). ...nor do his defenders(said by me).

No CPS - in Russia parents can spank their children and let them stay home alone at the age *they* determine to be the right one - there is no government agency telling them how to parent and monitoring them as if they themselves were children. Home remodeling - between two trips to Moscow we had to put in a new furnace. It costs us thousands but what really made my day was the $400 we had to pay to the local county. For a fee of some kind. I asked the furnace installer what it was for, and he had no answer. It was *for* the fact that the local government wanted to get some money out of us. In Moscow the citizens remodeling their kvarteras had to pay nothing, nada to anyone, nor did they have to get anyone's signature or inspection on their work. School - in Russia parents who choose to homeschool simply do it. No state agency tells them what they have to do each year to meet the state's standards.

Who needs free and open elections and freedom of the press when you have the freedom to build a twenty foot fence on your property line and you have the freedom not have your kids ever be taught a damn thing at home. Right?

In the U.S. you have a Constitution that enumerates unalienable rights and you have a Constitution that lays out democratic and republican procedures that best protect the unalienable right so enumerated.

In Russia you have a Constitution that sort of enumerates unalienable rights and then you have the tyrant dictator who decides when you get to exercise your unalienable rights.

Freedom is more than a laundry list things that you are free to do, issued by a tyrant.

As I said before, Putin and his defenders don't understand what freedom really is.

101 posted on 12/25/2004 6:44:57 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Agrarian
I am reminded, when reading your post about freedom in Russia, of two statements by prominent conservatives.

Do you have quotes from any prominent plowshare collectivists?

BTW Reagan thought there was more to freedom than the absence of drivers licenses.

102 posted on 12/25/2004 6:50:07 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Correction: Freedom is more than a laundry list of things that you are free to do, issued by a tyrant.
103 posted on 12/25/2004 6:53:00 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
I live in Washington state. What *Ever* made you think there are always free and open elections in this country? LOL. You must be dreaming.
104 posted on 12/25/2004 6:57:56 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Agrarian
Aren't they lovely? :-)

Don't even come here again. It's not worth your time.

105 posted on 12/25/2004 7:02:55 PM PST by MarMema
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To: DustyMoment

I "forsaw" it the date he got the job and they said he was ex-KGB. The hair on the back of my neck stood on end -- no joke --


106 posted on 12/25/2004 7:23:58 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: bobjam

Czar Nicholas HATED the Chinese... to the tip of his toes.


107 posted on 12/25/2004 7:25:16 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: massadvj

except it's Russia sending an unmanned rocket up to bring food to the space station -- our rockets are grounded.... by the way what is the ratio of Chinese parts in our rockets and planes these days????? Just curious!


108 posted on 12/25/2004 7:26:54 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn; jb6; MarMema; Destro
I "forsaw" it the date he got the job and they said he was ex-KGB. The hair on the back of my neck stood on end -- no joke --

You obviously are not a Christian, because you would have been celebrating when Putin announced he was a Christian and not a communist. Additionally, my wife helped develop the Christian curriculum included in Russian schools, and Putin approved it. That clearly does not sound like the KGB thug the Russianphobes are claiming him to be.
109 posted on 12/26/2004 3:09:14 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc; Arizona Carolyn
Not to mention that the evil Duma, with Putin's approval, just cancelled Revolution Day 7 Nov (Communist Revolution Day) and instead added a day to the Christmas holidays.

But amazingly, those the MSM is now heralding as the defenders of Russian rights, the socialists and communists, voted against this change. Woops.

110 posted on 12/26/2004 8:35:05 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: GarySpFc
It has nothing with being a Christian (which I am!!!!). That statement is the same as saying you think it's okay for someone to be a dictator -- as long as he's a Christian! Christianity doesn't give us the right to take away people's rights and freedoms.

My feelings had to do with intuition at the time that this wasn't a great move for the Russian people. Putins actions tell me being KGB trumps being a Christian in his mind.

111 posted on 12/26/2004 8:43:14 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FreeReign

That's not the way they, of course, see it. Moscow is uncomfortable with Western nations exerting influence in "Greater Russia" (as they see it). Likewise they get hopping mad when Catholic and Protestant missionaries start churches in "Orthodox" territory.

Serious problems could arise if Russia starts seeing us as a threat.


112 posted on 12/27/2004 4:03:51 AM PST by bobjam
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