Something a little less pedantic, just for a break.
<pedantry> Please resume...
Posted on 12/17/2004 4:36:19 PM PST by TERMINATTOR
Only individuals have rights. Governments, which include the military and police divisions thereof, have powers. In some times and some places, police did not have the power to be armed with firearms. In Great Britain for instance, until they started disarming the people, the "Bobbies" rarely went armed, although supervisors could bring arms to a scene if necessary. I'd at least say that the police should have to power to have any arms denied to any law abiding citizen. Of course since "shall not be infringed" says that citizens have the right to have any kind of arms, that need not a be any great restriction.
Don't jinx yourself, dude. They might send Janet Reno.
Mental note: Buy silver bullets.
I understand the distinction. That's why I was careful to use the word 'need' and not 'right', thought 'power' would have been more accurate.
You gotta admit, it would have been somewhat awkward to have the Justice department acknowledging "shall not be infringed" means "shall not be infringed" at the same time the President was saying he would sign a bill extending the most significant federal infringement since the 1930s (other than the 1986 FOPA's last minute ban on newly manufactured machine guns for civilians perhaps)
Bump for a more leisurely read
True. Bush should realize that we put him back in office and that we value freedom over security. (or the illusion of security)
Thanks. These guys get paid big bucks by the hour to do just this type of language. Did you ever notice how the word verbage sounds like garbage. It think it means the same, too.
They do, it's a false distinction.
Assuring the individual right assured the militia too. Clever of Madison.
Actually, Clinton's parsing was not entirely unreasonable since the term 'to have sex with someone' can have different meanings, and the distinction may be important. For example, if a woman were found to be pregnant, the issue of whether or not she'd had "oral sex" with particular people would not be particularly relevant in ascertaining paternity. Indeed, biblically it would seem that if a woman's hymen was intact on her wedding night her virginity was to be regarded as beyond reproach; that would suggest that a woman who engaged only in 'oral sex' could be regarded as a virgin by such standards (given that a major reason for marrying a virgin was to be sure that one's wife wasn't carrying someone else's child, this again would make sense).
I by no means wish to condone extra-marital relations of such types--merely to point out that Clinton's parsing was not unreasonable. If people meant to ask whether he'd had anything that might be considered 'sexual relations', that's what they should have asked.
How about an amendment requiring that all court cases be supportable without reference to case law? Although it is right and proper that case law should be used in cases where reasonable judges might produce differing opinions, case law should not be used to justify any decision which would not be justifiable in its absense.
Sometimes I cram too much thought into too few words, and vice versa. You and I have the right to bear our personal firearms. When all other efforts have failed, we the collective also have the right to restore this bill of rights. I don't think "police" have anything to do with the second ammendment. Just opinion.
They ARE the most powerful and they DENY the government
the ability to show cause why anyone's RKBA should be restricted.
2 entries found for infringed. in·fringe ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-frnj) v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es v. tr. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent. Obsolete. To defeat; invalidate. v. intr. To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an increased workload that infringed on his personal life. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Latin nfringere, to destroy : in-, intensive pref.; see in-2 + frangere, to break; see bhreg- in Indo-European Roots.] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- in·fringer n. [Download or Buy Now] Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Main Entry: in·fringe Pronunciation: in-'frinj Function: verb Inflected Forms: in·fringed; in·fring·ing Etymology: Medieval Latin infringere, from Latin, to break, crush, from in- in + frangere to break transitive verb : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another ;
I see your point and I could accept Clinton's parsing of language if it wasn't so obviously self serving.
FYI: In the biblical context (or at least in context of the culture of that time) a virgin was simply an unmarried woman. Having not 'known' a man was just assumed.
I don't think "police" have anything to do with the second ammendment. Just opinion.
I agree. Establishment of police agencies is a power that falls to congress or subordinate governments in accordance with the constitution. However, our laws do give them the authority to carry weapons as a function of their job and I think that it's both constitutionally acceptable and a practical necessity.
case law should not be used to justify any decision which would not be justifiable in its absense.
I think that's how judges are actually supposed to make their rulings. Not entirely sure, but I think so.
Something a little less pedantic, just for a break.
<pedantry> Please resume...
Thank you.
Hey. You never did tell me why you go by 'supercat'.
Hey. You never did tell me why you go by 'supercat'.
Obviously, I meant that for supercat.
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