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My Daughter Has Anorexia, Please Help Me With Advice
self | 12/17/04 | JohnRobertson

Posted on 12/17/2004 9:25:01 AM PST by John Robertson

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To: John Robertson

No advice, just best wishes for you, you wife and your daughter! Good luck, FRiend!


121 posted on 12/17/2004 11:37:56 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Stay safe in the "sandbox" Greg!)
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To: John Robertson

Sending prayers of strength and change for you and your daughter. May the Lord help her to Heal this disorder and be at peace.
This is a very serious issue and best for her to be away from school and in a professional 'eating disorder clinic' where the awful truth is dealt with head-on by professionals who work with educating and helping the family also.
Her life, if this is true, could be hell for years to come if not dealt with immediately.
It is terrible and emotional for the family---Just as drugs or alcohol.....But you will get through this and be stronger.
God BLess.


122 posted on 12/17/2004 11:41:10 AM PST by LibertyLight (I Am Grateful For FreeRepublic!)
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To: John Robertson

See your family lawyer and have a simple power of attorney drawn up for your daughter to sign(notarize the signature)Without this the Dr.'s,Pharmacies and Colleges can refuse you all information on your daughter even though you are paying the bills.I have this on my 23 year old law student and her 20 year old sister.I have never had a minutes problem with either but recent privacy laws enacted by the idiots in Congres(both parties) made it an imperitive.


123 posted on 12/17/2004 11:48:04 AM PST by Blessed
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To: John Robertson
A friend of mine is anorexic and after years of therapy and self-study has concluded that eating disorders are about control. These women feel that they cannot control what's happending in their lives but they can control what they eat so that becomes the focus of their sense of self. Alot of it seems to be self-imposed pressure, a desire to be perfect. Most of these women are achievers with high goals.

My 14-year-old daughter is also thin and avoids eating. She doesn't eat breakfast because she says it makes her sick. I believe this is a result of anxiety from dealing with some of the less friendly girls at the school when she arrives in the morning. She's always antsy about how they will treat her that day, what mood they will be in, etc. I called the school about it and they are intervening on her behalf and she is eating better at home, but still not breakfast. I don't see what she eats at lunch, but she describes only light things like yogurt, etc. Sometimes she'll eat chicken fingers. However, when she's together with her dearest friend she ravages popcorn, etc. I am wondering if solid friendships with other females helps combat anorexia. Most of the women I have known with eating problems have not had close relationships with their peers. At night, she does eat a good dinner, although small portions. Then again, some of it is because she is a small person.

Society's emphasis upon thinness ("You can never be too rich or too thin") is partially responsible for these girls' strained self-images.

However, as a parent, I am always looking at myself to see if I am somehow sending a message that thin-is-in or that she has to achieve some lofty goal.

Eating disorders are critical issues for today's young women and cannot be ignored. You and your family will be remembered in our prayers and most positive thoughts.

124 posted on 12/17/2004 11:57:19 AM PST by MHT
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To: John Robertson

A few suggestions in case this is not at a clinical state already.

1) Digital photos of her now and make a slide show including current photos and past Christmases. Don't need to say anything, she can see it.

2) Have her help in planning meals for the family and eat as a family. Even if she isn't hungry, make sure she is included in the dinner time.

3) Let her know you are concerned, but not in a joking or offhanded way. Be direct. Ask her what her weight goals are and if she says "until I look good" remind her that what she sees in the mirror can be modified in her mind. Have her choose a flat weight number and make sure that both you and her look up whether that is a healthy weight for her height. If it is under a healthy weight, make sure you again let her know that you are concerned that she might be depressed or having an image problem.

4) Stay in contact. If weight is an issue for her, it should be an issue for you. Ask her what she is weighing when you talk to her and if she is dropping below a healthy weight continue to show concern. Get her friends at school to help with this. Since she is over 18, you can't force her to do a lot, but you can encourage her to get professional help on her own. She needs to know that her family is supportive and concerned. That alone may give her the self-esteem boost she needs to get help if she can't pull out of this destructive behavior alone.

5) Pray. Pray with her and pray for her about this issue. Again, you showing serious concern for this might help her see the seriousness of the issue.


125 posted on 12/17/2004 12:00:50 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Quix

I didn't mean "touchy" literally. Just the overly supportive, endlessly affirming the patient's "feelings" type, who often let patients (not just anorexics) avoid confronting unpleasant facts for as long as they want. I don't believe that an anorexic patient benefits by having an "understanding" therapist who listens/responds supportively to endless rambling by the patient about her feelings, self-image, yadda, yadda, and never stops the patient, saying "Hey, that makes no sense, here are the facts, you need to stop thinking that nonsense".


126 posted on 12/17/2004 12:03:57 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: John Robertson

Get expert advice. She will need people who are trained in dealing with anorexia/bulemia because it is a very complex psychological problem. True anorexics are very resistant and often don't see a problem; to the point of manipulation and dishonesty.

Clues that someone is anorexic is distorted body image- "I am SO fat" when they look like a skeleton. Anorexia is about control by some who feels out of control, and they get their affirmation from the scales. Literally what they see in the mirror is nothing like what they look like.

Other clues could be frequent weighing, excessive exercise, excessive sleeping, avoidance of foods or groups of foods to the extreme, manipulating food on the plate or even hiding food to make it look like they are eating. It can include the abuse of some drugs (which came first-chicken or egg?) and laxitives.

They will show nutritional obsession to the extreme. The joke in my profession is they know more about nutrition than anyone on the planet because food (and the control of it) is their total focus. They can quote fat grams, carbs, calories etc like a computer.

Again, find those who are experts in the condition and know what to look for. It can be hard to treat, but it can be beat. My prayers are with you and your family.


127 posted on 12/17/2004 12:06:53 PM PST by najida (Ever wish you could just stay home all day in your jammies?)
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To: Rytwyng
And those who have to live inside the forced thinness, such as photo models and ballerinas, etc., often fall prey to the rampant speed use in those industries/arts. It's a very unhealthy way to live.

Normal, modest clothing looks best on a nicely shaped, natural woman. However, outre "hip" clothing looks best on the hanger or on someone as scrawny as a hanger. People should force their daughters to avoid skimpy "hip" clothing anyway, as it does turn girls into sex objects in the eyes of those who see them.

128 posted on 12/17/2004 12:13:23 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: John Robertson
WHATEVER the real source of this problem may be; anorexia, drugs, obsessive compulsion, SHE needs to see a MENTAL health specialist right away.

It will have to be between her and a doctor...I hate to say this but maybe, just maybe all of your "good intentions" or high expectations, may have pushed her over an edge.

I am by NO MEANS blaming you, but do know, mental health issues in young adults are not the manifest of a peer problem, generally it is the result of too much pressure from parents.

She needs help, be willing to LISTEN if the doctor asks you and your wife to step back a bit...it may be painful but you have to save your daughter.

BTW a hug goes a long way...say nothing, just a hug. Don't ask her WHY, she doesn't know yet. Don't ask her to stop, subconsciencly she may not realize she is rebelling.

A hug and kiss...keep all YOUR fears and wishes behind your lips.

129 posted on 12/17/2004 12:18:18 PM PST by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: Rytwyng

I think there is something to what you are saying. The curvy women don't appear anymore except On Spanish TV and some places still in Europe. Its been wiped out in much of America; probably for the exact reason of who runs the industry now.


130 posted on 12/17/2004 12:37:57 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: John Robertson
Other than the fact that she's not eating much and she's lost a lot of weight, how do you know that she has anorexia? My mom recently lost 45 pounds and her appetite is completely gone. She's completely emaciated and very frustrated. She knows she has to eat, but her stomach simply will not let her. She gets nauseated when she tries.

We just found out that she has anemia. It's bad and she'll have a long road to recovery, but she should be alright. There are many illnesses that will cause the appetite to go to hell until they are found and treated. Anemia, some cancers, gall bladder problems, stomach bacteria. Then we have hormonal problems. Addison's disease and diabetes are the two that come to mind. Some medications will have an effect on the appetite and some people are more sensitive to them than others. Some parasites will mess a healthy body up terribly. There are many more things than I can think of right now, and a few that I won't mention so as not to alarm you, but this should be the first consideration.

*If* she does have an underlying physical problem, she probably has done what my mom did. In the beginning, "Hey! I'm loosing weight without trying! This is great!" Then, a few months later, "Wow! I'm in a size 6! I've never been a six!" And finally, "OK. My size 6's are falling off. Maybe I ought to think about this."

Before you do *anything* get her a full physical. CBC, hormone levels, Blood Glucose, and everything else that can possibly be looked at.

131 posted on 12/17/2004 12:43:59 PM PST by Marie (~shhhhh...~ The liberals are sleeping....)
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To: cuteconservativechick
FYI, a person over 18 cannot be placed in an inpatient facility without a court order.

This depends on the state.

Florida has something called the Baker Act that allows involuntary commitment for an evaluation period without a court order.

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/mentalhealth/laws/index.shtml

132 posted on 12/17/2004 1:00:02 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Wood?)
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To: cuteconservativechick
FYI, a person over 18 cannot be placed in an inpatient facility without a court order.

I don't know. My grandmother had my stepdad hospitalized against his will. The doctors treated him against his will. They even pulled out all of his teeth and replaced them with dentures against his will. All she needed to do was get a doctor to say that he was not rational and incapable of making decisions for himself (he was completely out of his gourd) and they took over.

133 posted on 12/17/2004 1:17:17 PM PST by Marie (~shhhhh...~ The liberals are sleeping....)
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To: Calvin Locke

Some psychiatrists are great, sensitive, effective therapists.

Some are 98% pill pushers, period.


134 posted on 12/17/2004 1:18:23 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: John Robertson

I've had a lot of experience with family members who have anorexia and I have also read quite a lot in the scientific literature about it. As you suggest it is very important to take this seriously, but not everyone who claims to be able to treat anorexia is really effective. I'm kind of busy right now, but I'll send you all the details by freepmail tonight (PST).


135 posted on 12/17/2004 1:21:46 PM PST by wideminded
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I AGREE.

But I did want to make the point about touch anyway.

THX MUCH.


136 posted on 12/17/2004 1:24:50 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: John Robertson; quantim; SirLurkedalot; kjvail; bad company; xcamel; mystery-ak; Pookyhead; ...
PING, this thread might be of interest to you! Freegards, RobFromGa



137 posted on 12/17/2004 1:52:07 PM PST by RobFromGa (End the Filibuster for Judicial appointments in January 05)
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To: John Robertson

Continuously reinforce that you love her through your words and deeds. Guard against anger at all costs. Don't say anything that suggests you're angry, and work hard not to show it. You don't need to be judgmental in regard to anything about her. She's way ahead of you on that score. Try not to let it show if you find her appearance alarming. For the time being, share all of these thoughts and fears and feelings with your wife. I know it won't be easy, but adhering to these attitudes and actions will likely make it easier for you to guide her towards a professional situation.
Glad to hear that your wife is working to find help for your daughter. As you clearly recognize, anorexia needs to be handled by professionals.
Good luck and God bless. Please keep us posted on your progress.


138 posted on 12/17/2004 2:20:59 PM PST by Rightfootforward
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To: RobFromGa; John Robertson
Thanks for the ping, Rob.

Unfortunately, this is completely out of my area of expertise.
All I can offer are my prayers, and consider that done.

139 posted on 12/17/2004 2:35:14 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: John Robertson

Been there, done that.

My Mom used to force feed me chocolate shakes in the morning with raw eggs for protien.

Bottom line is that there are underlying issues that need to be addressed, THAT IS FOR SURE!

With your support and love, she will overcome.

God Bless and my prayers are with you and your daughter.


140 posted on 12/17/2004 2:42:37 PM PST by mickeylee
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