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GOP VOTERS STILL WANT GIULIANI FOR PREZ: POLL
New York Post ^ | 12/17/04 | IAN BISHOP

Posted on 12/16/2004 11:18:44 PM PST by kattracks

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To: mull
Fortunately, sitting here in December of 2004 with a month to go before Bush's inauguration, we are a long way from Iowa and New Hampshire and public opinion polls does not a President make.

After 2004--and the trauma of 2000--I don't even want to think about another presidential election. But for those who want the office, they're already getting geared up. This will be an open seat, as it were, for the highest office in the land, and there will be a any number of people who want it--and many who will fall by the wayside.

We've got about three years of speculation, and one year of campaigning.

141 posted on 12/17/2004 4:05:04 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Havoc; Perlstein
It's immaterial.

You can't outrun your past, no matter how fast you sprint.

The patterns of denial, obfuscation and diversion are still character traits associated with Giuliani.

Even if his brush with mortality inspired a more introspective, compassionate outlook and a new set of priorities for the mayor, he is still the same Rudy that he was pre-2000.

He is still the same person who would destroy the career of a lifelong civil servant(s), if it will serve his political purposes.

142 posted on 12/17/2004 4:07:15 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: Red Phillips
But if you must have a "real" Republican name for '08 who is also a real conservative, how about Judge Roy Moore?

Despite Moore's flirtation with the Constitution Party?

I don't think Moore's electable for a national office on a mainstream party ticket. He has some name recognition, but his energies are directed in a different direction than running for president.

143 posted on 12/17/2004 4:11:06 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
It's immaterial.

No, in fact it is not. Everyone on this planet has screwed up in their life one way or another. Clinton's problem is he was still doing what everyone around him knew he was up to in his past. I'd have voted for him in Bush's place this past election if he'd have run and vowed to end free trade, handle immigration and end the h1 and L1 program abuses. He'd still have to meet the litmus of trust and character; but, I don't think you base that on 'years ago he screwed up'. If we went on that, I'm sure none of us should be listening to one another.

144 posted on 12/17/2004 4:13:06 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Catspaw
Publicity Whore:

I'm setting up my exploratory committee as we speak. Now, I will direct you to my extended harangue, published on the op-ed page of yesterday's Duluth Post & Telegraph.

145 posted on 12/17/2004 4:13:31 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: Catspaw
So even "flirting" with another party is disqualifying?What's more important, party or ideology? I say ideology by a landslide. I wish the party folks were as vigilant about policy as they are party. "Bush flirted with gun control. Can't have that. He's off the ticket." Maybe some day. We can only hope.
146 posted on 12/17/2004 4:18:52 AM PST by Red Phillips (Ron Paul in '08! Please God make it happen!)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I've just started to recover from the 2004 election--and given we live in a battleground state, I really don't want to hear about another presidential race for, well, four more years :-))


147 posted on 12/17/2004 4:19:58 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
I'm a bit burned-out, myself.
148 posted on 12/17/2004 4:20:49 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: Red Phillips

So what you want is another ideology--be it Libertarian or Constitution--to take over a mainstream party. Buchanan did it with the Reform Party, but I truly doubt if this effort will be successful with the Republican Party.


149 posted on 12/17/2004 4:23:21 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
And even Buchanan wasn't that successful, unless you define "success" as being able to dip your hand into the money-pot of federal matching funds.

A subversion of a major party just isn't possible, unless that party has fractured to the point of utter irrelevancy.

Even hijacking a fringe party is difficult, without the proper financial resources.

150 posted on 12/17/2004 4:30:11 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: valuesvaluesvalues
He's not running!
152 posted on 12/17/2004 4:32:53 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
And even Buchanan wasn't that successful, unless you define "success" as being able to dip your hand into the money-pot of federal matching funds.

As far as I know, the Reform Party in 2000 was the only 3rd party to qualify for federal matching funds, and Pat snarked up that money in a hurry. I don't think any of the 3rd parties now qualify. (Anyone can prove me wrong, though.)

153 posted on 12/17/2004 4:33:24 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I'm for Owens. He drew a diplomatic protest from the Frog government.


156 posted on 12/17/2004 4:39:25 AM PST by basque (Basque)
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To: Catspaw
You're right.

Though Nader did come close in the 2000 presidential race.

Pat's candidacy in 2000 just proved to me what an egotist the man is.

He essentially capitalized upon the prior political success of another candidate-in this case, Ross Perot-in order to fuel his own media-driven candidacy.

Not that his opponent, John Hagelin, was any great shakes, but Buchanan's run did-in a sense-make a mockery of the system of party primaries.

157 posted on 12/17/2004 4:39:32 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: basque
I know!

I was doubled over with laughter when I read that.

Kudos to him!

158 posted on 12/17/2004 4:40:38 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: Catspaw

No the Republican Party is supposed to be the conservative party. I do not want a foreign ideology to hijack it. I want them to actually be what they say they are. While the ideology of the Libertarian Party is qualitatively different. The ideology of the Constitution Party is more of a quantitative difference. The Republicans advocate pretend conservatism. The Constitution Party advocates real conservatism. Little things like actually following the Constitution and cutting unauthorized spending.


159 posted on 12/17/2004 5:25:10 AM PST by Red Phillips (Ron Paul in '08! Please God make it happen!)
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To: kattracks; All

I don't want him to the Presidental Candidate...


160 posted on 12/17/2004 5:25:54 AM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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