Posted on 12/16/2004 11:59:33 AM PST by Publius
So, I don't think that people who mailed ballots after Election Day EVEN if it wasn't necessarily their fault (and I don't know if it was) should have their votes counted because we CAN'T count votes received after Election Day. That would violate state law, while the current recanvassing by a county and recounting votes does not.
But why say "military?" Wouldn't you agree that ANY vote, military or non-military, that fit your criteria should be counted? Dropping the military into this emotionalizes the issue, which is not one of "military" votes at all. If these were all urban Tacoma blacks, would you make the same argument?
I STILL gotta go...
Mmmm, when you get back, I'd like to hear your justification of why mistakes favoring Democrats should be corrected, whereas mistakes favoring Republicans shouldn't be corrected.
I never said it, why should I defend it?
Wrong. The court ruled (quoting PI):
"The Supreme Court's decision means local canvassing boards won't be forced to reconsider rejected ballots - but state law has always allowed them to do so of their own accord."
KC is doing so of its own accord.
(1) To address your point of whose votes counts more, I think that the vote of every military serviceman or servicewoman should be weighted 100 to a civilian's 1 vote. Don't bring racial overtures here, the military has a high percentage of blacks and minorities.
(2) The integrity should be perserved at all costs. I agree the military votes shouldn't be counted. And none of those "found" votes should be counted either. And I trust machines over partisan humans. Easier to stuff paper ballots than to hack into a machine undetected. We are merely pointing out the great hypocrisy the Democrats are exhibiting here.
An admission that these ballots were left unsecured for over a month is enough to have them thrown out. They are tainted - even if they really were legitimate ballots. They have not been kept secured -
Any judge that would not see it that way should be removed from the bench.
Is there anything people can do from other states watching all this. E-mail someone, or write a letter in protest? I realize it may be a waste of effort but Rossi has already won twice and I want to do something, anything to help him.
Because its the military ballots.
Wow. I think I have never heard anything so anti-democratic in my life. The Founders would shit if they heard you.
I knew what you were saying, I was just useing the chance to help keep the story alive. They don't talk about on the MSM news.....
Unlikely? We still don't know how many Gregoire votes are going to come gushing out of the King County manual recount. My prediction is that they will go 80-20 for her. There are nearly 2700 precincts in that county, and all you need is one extra vote found in every third precinct to flip this thing completely on its head, even if the 58-40 margin of the machine count stays intact. That's a tiny amount of cheating on a wide scale, but it can be both accomplished and concealed.
or maybe they're just legal votes for Gregoire. I know that's not what you WANT to believe, but can't you open your mind just a teeny tiny bit?
Get real. Recanvassing is defined explicitly in state law (RCW 29A.60.210) and is allowed if a county wants to do it, and the votes must be valid in all other ways (arrived by Election Day, signature matched, etc.).
Counting votes that arrived after Election Day is explicitly forbidden by state law, no matter what. So WHO is proposing to "break state law" here, the recanvassers or those who want to count military ballots that arrived after the legal deadline? Hint: it's you.
If they can fix this for her in Everett, they will have no trouble fixing this in Seattle.
Hey, I don't really have a dog in this fight. I have voted for both of the candidates at various times.
I am just an advocate of clear thinking, and I won't fool myself into believing that the law does not say what it clearly says. I support the Supreme Court decision because it followed the law, but that decision ALLOWED KC to recanvass, and they can then count the votes.
And I won't agree that counting votes not allowed by law because I have sympathy for the military. They have it rough. They're not the only people whose votes didn't arrive on time. Tough crackers to all those poor people. That's the law.
I guess you're right. I think a federal court should overrule a silly state law that prohibits counting an overseas military absentee ballot that was received AFTER election day if it was a result of mistakes made by elections officials and not the voter themselves. Same for the Tacoma folks. Other states allow additional time for absentee ballots to arrive as long as they were voted properly.
What is the makeup of the Supreme Court there?
So what you KNOW is that the late-counted votes broke a little heavier for Gregoire than the original machine-counted votes.
What you THINK is that there was some sort of collusion, base on evidence no firmer than your recollection of some isolated experiences in the area. No offense, but that doesn't sound like an awfully convincing argument of malfeasance.
You mean, the same founders who restricted the votes to property-owning males?
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