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Exploiting the Koran to Terrorize
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| December 14, 2004
| Daniel Pipes
Posted on 12/15/2004 8:12:57 AM PST by USF
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To: JesseHousman; jan in Colorado; weenie
religion Not just a religion, as it also includes a political system that promotes gender and religious apartheid. Let me be the first on this thread to call it bigoted treatment towards women and those of other faiths. There. The B-word is where it belongs. I'm done. :o)
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posted on
12/15/2004 10:01:56 AM PST
by
USF
(I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
To: USF
Another B word.
Bravo. Well done.
That's exactly where the word bigoted belongs.
To: Happy2BMe
Every Christian should be prepared to die for their faith, if necessary. It's a difficult thing for most, probably, but it is clearly becoming a growing possibility for each of us.
Consider the heartbreakingly beautiful example of Cassie Bernall during the Columbine, CO school massacre:
One of the gunmen confronted her during the time of the shooting. He asked a the group she was with, "Do you believe in God?" She was the only one who stood up and said, "Yes, I do." He blew her away. (source)
To my mind, it is far better, in the eternal scheme of things, to die a horrible death at the hands of a terrorist than to have to stand before my God and explain why I claimed to be a Muslim.
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posted on
12/15/2004 10:09:45 AM PST
by
TChris
(Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
To: Happy2BMe
Nizar Hajazeen, Christian, a Jordanian software businessmen: He hid with another Jordanian in a room but they opened the door when two armed young men banged violently on it. The terrorists asked the identity of the Jordanians, Arab or Westerners. Were Arab, came the response. Each was then asked, A Christian or a Muslim? Both claimed to be Muslims and showed a Koran as proof.
...
Bang! BANG! BANG! bang-bang-bang!
"Christian buttwipe..."
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posted on
12/15/2004 10:27:24 AM PST
by
ApesForEvolution
(You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
To: John O
"
Every moslem is a terrorist or he is not a moslem."Exactly!
After reading the koran, that is the conclusion that I come to also.
To: ApesForEvolution
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posted on
12/15/2004 11:09:26 AM PST
by
Happy2BMe
(It's not quite time to rest - John Kerry is still out there (and so is Hillary))
To: TChris
"I send you out as sheep among the wolves."
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posted on
12/15/2004 11:16:12 AM PST
by
Happy2BMe
(It's not quite time to rest - John Kerry is still out there (and so is Hillary))
To: nightdriver
So many great posts so far on this thread. Well... I'm... I'm... I'm nearly speechless. You guys are so great. I swear, it is a real comfort to know you are out there. I have read the "holy" Koran and am studying Arabic, as are several of my friends, because of this article I shared with them from the FR:
Montana Judge, 6 Others Use Web to Snare Terrorists
July 12, 2004 - Evan Moore reporting
CONRAD, MT. - By day, shes the municipal judge of this tiny town, a wife and mother of three, but by moonlight Shannen Rossmiller is a spy. Then, Rossmiller petite, blond and 34 assumes one of several unlikely false identities, all angry, violent, Muslim men, nurturing hatred of the United States. In that guise, she combs the Internet through the late evening and early morning and sifts through the messages and declarations on extremist Islamic Web sites.
During those hours, Rossmiller is on a quest that consumes hours of each day, days of each week. Its one that will place her on the stand Thursday as the governments primary witness against a National Guardsman accused of offering information to help Muslim extremists kill U.S. troops.
Its a quest that has already placed her in danger.
Rossmiller works with an exclusive group, a coalition of seven civilians, international "cyber spies" who chase terrorists on the Internet.
They call themselves the "7-Seas."
Until recently they were a largely unknown, almost clandestine bunch. Named for its global scope, the group consists of Rossmiller; a nuclear physicist/software designer in Canada; a corporate security consultant in Houston; a former private detective in Singapore; an Australian; and two other Americans.
They might have remained unknown. That is, if some of Rossmillers efforts hadnt paid off, if she hadnt run across Ryan Anderson, a National Guardsman accused of attempting to defect to al-Qaida and offering information on troop strength and vulnerable points on a Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
Rossmiller never planned to be a witness. But then, shed never planned to become a spy. She had grown up, married and pursued her career in the little town of 2,750.
Broke pelvis on 9/11
Its a quiet community, in the northwestern quadrant of Montana in the shadow of Glacier National Park, home to wheat farmers, ranchers and a group of Hutterites, a traditional Christian sect related to the Amish.
There, Rossmiller was perfectly happy as municipal judge and might have remained so if she hadnt broken her pelvis.
"It happened on the evening of 9/11," said Rossmiller. "Wed put in a new shower, I was just stepping into it and there I went. I was incapacitated for the next six weeks and all I heard was the news.
"I couldnt avoid it, and I couldnt help but feel that I had to do something."
Her first thought was to join the National Guard, a plan her husband, emphatically opposed. Rossmiller, however, describes herself as passionate in all her pursuits, and it wasnt long before she found a new avenue.
"I began fishing around on the Internet and I found these groups," she said.
The "groups" included both the violent fringe of Islamic extremists and those who tracked them. Soon, Rossmiller was conversing with Brent Astley, the Canadian member, and others in the 7-Seas, and found herself drawn into their efforts.
"Were not a bunch of alarmists, and were not politically motivated," said Dave, the Houston member who agreed to speak if not identified. "Were probably the only group of our kind. Most of us have never met the others in person, but were all joined by the desire to stop terrorism in any form.
"I guess were like a parody of a spy novel, but were real."
Rossmillers role, however, was circumventing reality. Once she joined 7-Seas, she began creating various personae of violent, Islamic men.
"Id never be taken seriously at those Web sites as a woman," she said.
Paying attention to detail The ruse requires careful preparation. Rossmiller, with her husbands help, creates false "proxies" to indicate her e-mails originated from the Middle East. She uses a commercial translation tool to decipher messages and to change her text to Arabic. She studies the Koran and searches out actual addresses and names of Mosques and clerics to refer to. She keeps a world clock and makes sure she never sends a message during the hours she would be praying.
An early riser, she makes most of her communications between the hours of 4 a.m. and 7 a.m., when it is afternoon in the Middle East.
Her efforts soon paid off. Within a few months of searching, she began communicating with a person who claimed to be an arms dealer. She calls him "Rocket Man."
"This character said he had missiles and missile parts for sale," said Rossmiller. "I went about it pretty slowly, said I didnt believe him.
"I really didnt believe it when he sent me a picture of himself and his address."
Rossmiller turned the dealer in to the FBI. Shes never learned what was done with the information.
Then, last October, she came across a man who called himself "Amir Abdul Rashid, a brother fighting on the wrong side." In reality, "Rashid" allegedly was Anderson, a 26-year-old tank driver with the 81st Armor Brigade at Fort Lewis.
Rossmiller will not discuss her upcoming testimony in Andersons court-martial. Her testimony in the May hearing, however, made it clear that she had extensive communication with the guardsman.
"This is like a second job for all of us," she said. "I probably devote as much time to it as I do to being a judge."
After exchanging 27 e-mails with "Rashid," Rossmiller called the FBI. Undercover agents then met with Anderson in a secretly videotaped session, during which he designated vulnerable points on a tank and offered other information.
Rossmiller netted an arrest. "Shannens the only member of the group who makes contact with terrorists," said Astley, the longest tenured of the 7-Seas.
"I guess we could be likened to a militia and have been. For the most part we visit terrorist Web sites. We analyze the data and we try to inform the appropriate authorities.
"But the word militia has some unpleasant connotations. We believe in what were doing and we try to bring terrorists to justice, but were not vigilantes. ... "
Often, said Astley, the group has no idea what is done with the warnings they pass on to authorities.
Her identity aired in court The organization also has been obscure. Few among government agencies will acknowledge their existence, and few among the intelligence community are aware of them.
Within the latter group however, 7-Seas has drawn some small praise.
"We applaud their efforts, what little we know of them," said Elizabeth Bancroft, executive director of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers in Washington, D.C.
That service has a price, however. When Rossmiller was called to testify in Andersons preliminary hearing in May, her identity and her membership in 7-Seas were revealed. Days after she appeared in court, phone threats were called in to Rossmillers office in Conrad, and she has been under police protection since.
The experience was sobering for Rossmiller and other members of her group.
"I think about it, but I dont worry about it constantly. One of the good things about living in a town the size of Conrad is that it would be pretty difficult for a stranger to be here for any length of time and not be noticed."
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posted on
12/15/2004 11:21:03 AM PST
by
broadsword
(When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
To: weenie
That sounds like a direct quote from our buddy Ibrahim Hooper... Rumor has it that every time Hooper is shocked, he eats another goat...He is fast becoming the Michael Moore of Islam.Is that true about the goat? If so, it only proves that old saying, "you only hurt the one you love".
To: Happy2BMe
"I send you out as sheep among the wolves."
Yes, Master, but some of us sheep are very well armed. (smile)
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posted on
12/15/2004 11:25:32 AM PST
by
broadsword
(When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
To: broadsword
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posted on
12/15/2004 11:34:08 AM PST
by
Happy2BMe
(It's not quite time to rest - John Kerry is still out there (and so is Hillary))
To: pawdoggie
Is that true about the goat? If so, it only proves that old saying, "you only hurt the one you love". Heehaw.........that's great!
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posted on
12/15/2004 12:38:12 PM PST
by
weenie
("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
To: TChris
Every Christian should be prepared to die for their faith, if necessary. It's a difficult thing for most, probably, but it is clearly becoming a growing possibility for each of us.Very true.
It would be difficult, particularly if it were a slow beheading...but what an honor.
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posted on
12/15/2004 12:53:43 PM PST
by
weenie
("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
To: USF
Islamic 'charity' is nothing but an extension of the 'widows and orphans' fund established by mohammad that provided him with an extra share of the booty obtained during raids on villages and merchants camel caravans; a slush-fund with which to mount his next expedition.
No widow or orphan ever received 'charity' from mohammad.
Read the biography of 'the prophet' - see tagline.
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posted on
12/15/2004 12:57:30 PM PST
by
Fred Nerks
(understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
To: Happy2BMe
"In the past, such knowledge would have saved lives..."
Happy, I would like to believe that rather than utter an abomination I would prefer to 'bite the bullet' ... but what's that 'magic word' again... Alaykum?
I can't help but wonder how many millions have died rather than 'swear' that mohammad is the final prophet.
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posted on
12/15/2004 1:07:21 PM PST
by
Fred Nerks
(understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
To: broadsword
Thanks for sharing that report.
We are glad you're here too.
Studying Arabic, way to go.
Keep up the great work.
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posted on
12/15/2004 1:22:18 PM PST
by
jan in Colorado
(I would choose death before I'd be forced to worship their god.)
To: broadsword
I have read the "holy" Koran and am studying Arabic, as are several of my friends, because of this article I shared with them from the FR...Just read it...excellent article.
How are you learning Arabic?
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posted on
12/15/2004 1:53:13 PM PST
by
weenie
("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
To: broadsword
I've been following Rosmillers (aks Mrs Galt) work too and have been a regular on a few Islamic sites, sometimes using their terminology and pretending to be one of them.
You're right about the Arabic thing.... most of the English language jihadi sites have been closed down and the ones that were still struggling as closed forums (eg, clearguidance aka Islam on crack) have been so infiltrated that they no longer know who they can trust. That plays havoc with the jihadi recruitment and renders it as good as closed. Others have had to clean up their acts so much and remove so many posts (like Ummah.com) that their forums have been practically deserted.
The remaining whacko sites seem to be mostly Arabic forums with one or two I saw a while back that were in Bahasa (Malay/Indonesian).
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posted on
12/15/2004 2:30:24 PM PST
by
USF
(I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
To: Fred Nerks
Thanks Fred.... I take it you won't be paying your Jizya anytime soon. ;o)
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posted on
12/15/2004 2:35:00 PM PST
by
USF
(I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
To: USF
Like your tagline says....
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posted on
12/15/2004 2:45:01 PM PST
by
Fred Nerks
(understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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