Fox has been outfoxed, and Mexican democracy is in peril

Dodge City Globe ^ | 08/12/04 | Denise Dresser

[Regulator]

This article, by a Berkeley Poli Sci professor teaching in Mexico, shows the reality. Fox could not, even if he wanted to, change Mexico's hideous culture of corruption in one Sexenio. He was and is too much a part of it himself: even if he knew it was wrong, he was so deep in it, that he could not see a way out, and eventually reverted to the Caudillo mentality himself.

When the Madrazos PRI monsters come to power, there will be no excuse for the people in this country to play games with them, in the way that they have played patty cake with Fox. In one year, this will be evident, as no Mexican president does anything of note in his last year. Except steal every thing in sight.

Fox is finished, and what comes next, as Dresser says, will be worse. But that could be the catalyst for the end of open illegal immigration into our country, and the beginning of the end for appeasers here, as well as an aggressive stance towards the Mexican criminal government.

And possibly large scale violence in Mexico.

[Regulator]

El Ping.

[goldstategop]

La mordida is the Mexican way of making things run. You want to make sure the government gets up to speed, grease palms all around. You'll be amazed at how fast Mexican civil servants will then respond to your requests.

[BenLurkin]

"The PRI is coming back, winning state election after state election . . . "

Seems the Mexicans are voting themselves out of having a democracy.

[goldstategop]

The PRI's "soft dictatorship" was authoritarian and corrupt but it got things done.

[TFFKAMM]

Interesting and sobering article. Although if the large-scale violence you fear really does start to happen in Mexico, the illegal situation could get worse, what with millions of refugees flooding here for reasons of personal safety rather than economic advantage.

I remember that during the El Salvador civil war, something like one-tenth of the nation's entire population fled the country, most settling in Southern California.

[COEXERJ145]

Might be time for the U.S. to dust off War Plan Green should Mexico fall into chaos.

[Noachian]

But that could be the catalyst for the end of open illegal immigration into our country, and the beginning of the end for appeasers here,

It would be ironic if in getting rid of Fox we also got rid of the illegal immigration problem. It sounds too good to be true.

[cyborg]

Hmmmmmmmmm.....

[cyborg]

What's that?

[FITZ]

Maybe they didn't like Fox's plan of them all having to move out of their own country.

Who would vote for a political party whose leader was that hell bent on getting rid of them? Bush and Republicans wouldn't likely win an election if Americans were being locked into unventilated boxcars and semi-trailers and being shipped out.

[janetgreen]

But that could be the catalyst for the end of open illegal immigration into our country, and the beginning of the end for appeasers here, as well as an aggressive stance towards the Mexican criminal government.

I hope that means that America will finally close off its Mexican border before the other half of Mexico gets here.

[John Will]

Mexico becomes a vassal state?

[FITZ]

Although if the large-scale violence you fear really does start to happen in Mexico

That happens and it will be the Mexican government -- their army shutting down the border. For one --- the rebels or revolutionaries will be funding their revolution from the USA and shipping in guns and weapons. The violence of course involve this side of the border --- but until the elites get packed up and out of there --- on over to Europe --- that government will do what it can to stop the flow of weapons from the USA. If they have a Communist take-over then it will be less immigration --- just like Castro even sees the need in keeping some people to have workers in his economy.

Fox blew it.

[dufekin]

And one-tenth of all Mexicans emigrate to America every three years by committing a technical violation of those pesky but wholly unenforced immigration laws.

The population of illegal aliens that have come to America this year alone is equivalent to that of Houston or Oklahoma.

[FITZ]

Fox is actually helping the PRI party because he's been attacking the PRD party candidate. Even though PRD lined up with PAN to get Fox in --- Fox has ruined his own party's chances but is doing all he can to destroy PRD.

[John Lenin]

Just shut down the drug traffic into the US from Mexico and the country and the politicians would go belly up.

[TFFKAMM]

Dufe: True, but I just see it getting worse in a war/revolution scenario. Add to that the status they'd have as refugees rather than under-the-table guest-workers, and you'd have a nightmare trying to control the inflow of people.

Fitz: Didn't think about the arms/materiel angle. Probably they'd bypass the border altogether and land the stuff on the coast via clandestine shipping.

[COEXERJ145]

From the early 20th century (and a few date before 1900) until a few years after WWII, the Army & Navy created a ton of war plans to allow the U.S. to fight every possible contingency. Some were absurd and some were very real possibilities. Each country and/or region was shaded a different color. While the colors changed from time to time, most stayed the same.

War Plan Orange- War with Japan

War Plan Red-War with Great Britain (Each part of the British Empire was a different shade of Red such as Canada was Crimson, India was Ruby, etc. Last rehearsed in 1940 and was the primary war plan practiced until the Rainbow plans came into effect in the late 1930's.)

War Plan Red-Orange- War against the Japanese/British Alliance

War Plan Black- War with Germany (Not seriously considered after WWI. Actually involved a Germany invasion of the South America, the Caribbean, and maybe the U.S.)

War Plan Green-War with Mexico or Mexican Domestic Intervention (Officially canceled in 1946)

War Plan Yellow-China Intervention

Every country in South America had a color war plan assigned to it, Iceland was Lavender I think, Russia was Pink and later Purple, Italy was Silver, France was Gold, Cuba was Tan I think, etc. There was also "War Plan White" which was the U.S. Domestic Contingency.

[ApesForEvolution]

Fox is holding out for FTAA...and an American amnesty to hand his pipple!