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Paper Regrets Handling of Rumsfeld Story
Yahoo News/Associated Press ^ | 12/10/2004 | BILL POOVEY, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 12/10/2004 9:38:24 AM PST by stylin_geek

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To: OldFriend
I would think that if you excerpt so there is a link to the story, that would be okay with them. More site traffic is always better. Plus, LGF was one of the prime movers in the Rathergate story.
21 posted on 12/10/2004 11:13:19 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: BushisTheMan

"Plus I didn't like Wilson's rendition of having to go through the dumps to find the material. I thought it sounded exaggerated and false."

Why? During WWII soldiers used sandbags and anything else they could get their hands on to increase the armor protection of their Sherman tanks. If you were in Iraq you would likely be doing the same thing. There is no such thing as too much armor. More is always better.


22 posted on 12/10/2004 11:23:38 AM PST by monday
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To: stylin_geek

Thanks, their contributors are excellent.


23 posted on 12/10/2004 11:36:38 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: stylin_geek
The question from Wilson appeared to surprise Rumsfeld

No, it didn't. Here's the very first thing Rumsfeld said when giving his lengthy answer. Yes, he asked for the question to be repeated--as in "I missed the first part of your question"---and it is my opinion if he was taken aback at all it was because the "first part" of the question said we'd been in Iraq coming up on *three* years. Anyhoo, Rumsfeld went on and on and on and didn't seem the least surprised since he'd JUST been discussing the issue as one can see here:

SEC. RUMSFELD: I talked to the General coming out here about the pace at which the vehicles are being armored. They have been brought from all over the world, wherever they’re not needed, to a place here where they are needed. I’m told that they are being – the Army is – I think it’s something like 400 a month are being done. And it’s essentially a matter of physics. It isn’t a matter of money. It isn’t a matter on the part of the Army of desire. It’s a matter of production and capability of doing it.

~snip~

he went on from there.

24 posted on 12/10/2004 12:18:19 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: monday

Why?

Because there are mechanical divisions in Iraq. I'm assuming they haul any vehicles that have been hit by IEDs to the mechanics location. I would assume that the military would used these vehicles to get parts/armour off of instead of going to dumps.

I think the soldier was giving a sob story before his "pre-planned" question to Rumsfield. I think the sob story came from the reporter's suggestion.


25 posted on 12/10/2004 12:55:29 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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"I would assume that the military would used these vehicles to get parts/armour off of instead of going to dumps. "

You "assume" that mechanics have time to strip armor off of vehicles rather than spend all their time fixing vehicles?

You "assume" that "the mechanics location" is anywhere near the units who are actually going out on patrol and who would be doing the makeshift armoring?

You "assume" that the military command is doing the makeshift armoring rather than individual soldiers and units?

Lots of his fellow soldiers cheered when he asked that question. Clearly it was a preplanned question, but just as clearly, it was a question that many of the soldiers there were interested in. I think you are "assuming" wrong.
26 posted on 12/10/2004 1:39:12 PM PST by monday
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To: monday

You "assume" I am wrong.


27 posted on 12/10/2004 1:41:43 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
Yes, but then clearly my assumptions are superior to yours or you would attempt to rebut them. It's ok, you are not the first to fall before my superior intellect..hehe.. just kidding.
28 posted on 12/10/2004 1:45:43 PM PST by monday
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GEN. WHITCOMB: Ma'am, no I have not spoken with Specialist Wilson, and purposely I didn't. The point is not whether he was going through a landfill -- and I'll tell you how we do things -- the point is he brought up a question on up-armored vehicles.

What I think Specialist Wilson was probably talking about is going through a facility that we've got that takes vehicles of two types; one, it takes vehicles that have been hit in combat and can't be fixed in Iraq and we bring them back here into Kuwait and we either fix them or we take parts off them that we can use. And some of those parts may, in fact, be the level-three armor, the steel plating that we either take off and put into stacks that we'll reuse, or that my suspicion -- and it's a suspicion only -- is that Specialist Wilson and his crew came in and found a vehicle or found some of that stuff and was taking it to add on to their vehicles. It's counterproductive to go try and track the specialist down. He had a concern for the armoring for his vehicles, as we all do, and he brought that up and we addressed that. I don't think -- well, I just don't know whether he was in a landfill. We don't normally throw things that we can use back into a trash bin or a landfill-type thing.




29 posted on 12/10/2004 1:58:49 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
What soldiers are using is scrap, it doesn't have to be manufactured originally as armor. RPGs explode on contact and carry an armor penetrating charge. If they can be made to go off before hitting and penetrating the side of a vehicle, obviously less damage occurs.

Many vehicles have grilles welded to them in order to explode an RPG before it hits the side of a vehicle. I believe this is the type of modifications soldiers are doing in the field. Heavy armor isn't necessary for these modifications.
30 posted on 12/10/2004 2:13:54 PM PST by monday
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To: stylin_geek
"used the tools available to him as a journalist to report on a story that has been and remains important to members of the 278th and those back at home."


Ambushing the Sec of Defense with a loaded question from a deceptive person who has ulterior motives is a tool intended to set off a controversy. If Rumsfeld knew the source of the question, he could could have replied directly to the concerns of the Questioner. As it is we have the best equipped military in history. You can always say more should have been done and it should have been done faster.
31 posted on 12/10/2004 2:18:45 PM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: Howlin

I wonder if this Pitts is any relation to William Rivers Pitts?.....


32 posted on 12/10/2004 3:20:32 PM PST by deport (I've done a lot things.... seen a lot of things..... Most of which I don't remember.)
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