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MANUFACTURING THE NEWS: Why We Don't Have Armor
The Question Fairy ^ | 12/09/04 | Becki Snow

Posted on 12/09/2004 2:07:54 PM PST by dandelion

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To: dandelion

This can't be true, Lawrence Kudlow said so.


81 posted on 12/09/2004 6:49:12 PM PST by sixmil (In Free Trade We Trust)
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To: dandelion

interesting. thanks for the post


82 posted on 12/09/2004 6:53:53 PM PST by beebuster2000 (waiting waiting waiting)
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To: konaice
This would be an interesting post, if true. However there are many more than ONE steel fabricating plants in America.

but it's so blatantly not true, that it's a disgrace.

And even if we didn't have any steel in America, I'm sure we're smart enough to know where to buy it.

83 posted on 12/09/2004 6:54:15 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: A. Pole

This is a total result of deindustrialization. Absolutely. Our founding fathers knew these perils.


84 posted on 12/09/2004 7:08:19 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: dandelion; Jeff Head; Squantos; archy; river rat

Can't we just buy more steel for armor from China?

/ sarcasm


85 posted on 12/09/2004 7:14:39 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SedVictaCatoni

In the 70s some union contracts obligated the company to pay for eyeglasses for worker's kids. That's abusive...


86 posted on 12/09/2004 7:30:10 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.)
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To: dandelion

Yep, Liberals gut defense budgets and hurt our national security while republicans gut our business infrastructure to hurt our economic and security interests. One's as bad as the other.


87 posted on 12/09/2004 7:31:11 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: carl in alaska
Staying out of jail was their top priority, followed by creeping socialism.

Actually, I don't think socialism was a high priority for President Clinton at all, though it was for his wife. I think Bill was really more interested in the 'perks' of office than in the powers and responsibilities thereof.

88 posted on 12/09/2004 7:34:57 PM PST by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: dandelion

Theres an ex Republican rep on Scarborough right now who claims his firm which creates 65% of body armor(ceramic) and HUMVEE armor is not working at capacity and that they could easily increase capacity by 20% w/o increasing production.


89 posted on 12/09/2004 7:35:20 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

The ex rep was Matt Salmon from AZ.

http://www.armorworks.com/

They make the HMMWV Ballistic Advantage Kit, armor for the FAV ,FMTV ,M915, and body armor including Small Arms Protective Inserts (SAPI) and other systems including; Airsave, Vehicle Body Armor Support System (VBASS), and NIJ level IV systems.


90 posted on 12/09/2004 7:45:40 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
This is a total result of deindustrialization. Absolutely. Our founding fathers knew these perils.

Our founding fathers were truly wise to perceive the perils of deindustrialization decades before the Industrial Revolution began.

91 posted on 12/09/2004 7:47:36 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: dandelion
But now we have to buy the vast majority of our steel from foreign countries, many of whom may disagree with our policies, and to whom we have to pay top dollar.

Wow, the vast majority? Over 50%? I don't suppose there's any solid data showing this stat?

92 posted on 12/09/2004 8:19:03 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Protectionists give me the Willies!!!)
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To: supercat
"I think Bill was really more interested in the 'perks' of office than in the powers and responsibilities thereof.

Yeah, I agree. Bill was more interested in riding around on Air Force 1 and having a good time in the "back office." Hillary is the one who really wants socialized health care, women in combat, and strict regulation of political speech on the internet (God forbid.)

93 posted on 12/09/2004 10:19:14 PM PST by carl in alaska (Once a Chargers fan, always a Chargers fan....)
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To: carl in alaska

Good Lord, what happened in here while I was gone? I go to a junior high orchestra concert, and things were civil (if a little heated) in here.

I come back and find this thread has swelled to three times it's previous size, with the corpses of three deleted posts littering the battlefield.

I dunno what happened here, but it must have been fun. I'm sorry I missed it...


94 posted on 12/09/2004 10:52:15 PM PST by dandelion (http://thequestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Thanks for the ping!


95 posted on 12/09/2004 11:09:00 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Toddsterpatriot; the invisib1e hand
That statement is based on the quote from Dick Durbin. However, since he is a dem there's a very high probability he is lying. (I don't have statistics on that one, but it's like 99% or something.) Okay, let's do a little math. I've been researching like a burnin' monkey, so please bear with me and if the math is wrong, I'll correct. Okay?

According to Page 7 of the USGS document "Iron and Steel Statistics" the number of U.S. imports for steel in the year 2002 stood at about 30%, give or take a few percentage points. Check me please, I'm no mathematician.

However, according to the trade doc "Paradise regained for scrap prices"U.S. imports rose by almost 20% in 2004 - despite an increase of U.S. steel production of 3.2% - due to a increase in demand of 12%. This is borne out by the simultaneous increase of Chinese exports by 20%, which could be construed as being produced to fill the American demand gap. The forecast, according to this trade publication, is for imports to rise dramatically - equal or greater to the percentage of this year's increases - in the immediate future.

Now, here's where my head swims. I'll admit that I'm no mathematician, but I see their numbers and it tells me this year we'll see imports rise above 50% for foreign steel. I could be wrong.

Since you appear to know more about this than I do, how about you crunch these numbers for me and I'll change the statement if your hypothesis is born out. I'm no Dan Rather, and I don't have to worry about "fixing" a printed error or begging my editor; I'm just a Blogger, and I just fix it.

How about it? Do you have the statistics for imports on armor grade steel? Do you have anything to back up your statement that this article is "blatantly false"? If you do, spit it out - if not, go find some documents to bear out your allegations, or else renounce them. I've based this article on documents and statements from the congressional record, but if you've got something real I'm ready to hear it...

If you don't have the statistics, then perhaps you should let me know on this thread.

96 posted on 12/09/2004 11:20:32 PM PST by dandelion (http://thequestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; the invisib1e hand
That statement is based on the quote from Dick Durbin. However, since he is a dem there's a very high probability he is lying. (I don't have statistics on that one, but it's like 99% or something.) Okay, let's do a little math. I've been researching like a burnin' monkey, so please bear with me and if the math is wrong, I'll correct. Okay?

According to Page 7 of the USGS document "Iron and Steel Statistics" the number of U.S. imports for steel in the year 2002 stood at about 30%, give or take a few percentage points. Check me please, I'm no mathematician.

However, according to the trade doc "Paradise regained for scrap prices"U.S. imports rose by almost 20% in 2004 - despite an increase of U.S. steel production of 3.2% - due to a increase in demand of 12%. This is borne out by the simultaneous increase of Chinese exports by 20%, which could be construed as being produced to fill the American demand gap. The forecast, according to this trade publication, is for imports to rise dramatically - equal or greater to the percentage of this year's increases - in the immediate future.

Now, here's where my head swims. I'll admit that I'm no mathematician, but I see their numbers and it tells me this year we'll see imports rise above 50% for foreign steel. I could be wrong.

Since you appear to know more about this than I do, how about you crunch these numbers for me and I'll change the statement if your hypothesis is born out. I'm no Dan Rather, and I don't have to worry about "fixing" a printed error or begging my editor; I'm just a Blogger, and I just fix it.

How about it? Do you have the statistics for imports on armor grade steel? Do you have anything to back up your statement that this article is "blatantly false"? If you do, spit it out - if not, go find some documents to bear out your allegations, or else renounce them. I've based this article on documents and statements from the congressional record, but if you've got something real I'm ready to hear it...

If you don't have the statistics, then perhaps you should let me know on this thread.

97 posted on 12/09/2004 11:20:33 PM PST by dandelion (http://thequestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: dandelion

Yes, we had a minor dust-up while you were gone, but nothing really unusual for FR.


98 posted on 12/09/2004 11:25:54 PM PST by carl in alaska (Once a Chargers fan, always a Chargers fan....)
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To: carl in alaska

This level of intensity regarding responses to this story really surprised me. I'm amazed; this was just a story about how the Old Media is manufacturing more than the steel industry, and I really expected the Media hawks to swoop in. Instead, the steel guys and industry people got into a fistfight!

Doggone it - missed it again. Nobody was banned permanently I hope...


99 posted on 12/09/2004 11:33:48 PM PST by dandelion (http://thequestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: Havoc
I'm certain that there's a couple of "posters" here that have calculated, with our surplus of military age males, it's cheaper to get a few of our GI's killed, rather than keeping a healthy armaments/steel industry.
Hey!, it's just business.
100 posted on 12/09/2004 11:51:27 PM PST by investigateworld (( ))
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