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Human ancestors started eating meat, evolution served up a healthy bonus.< eata this Peta >
Medical News Today ^ | 03-22-2004, 07:40 PM | By Gilien Silsby and Gia Scafidi

Posted on 12/09/2004 10:44:58 AM PST by Helms

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To: warchild9
I've heard a hundred variations on the silly "plants live off dead matter" argument; you're hardly original.

No, it wasn't that. Actually mushrooms and fungus do not belong to Kingdom Animal or Plantae. They are Kingdom Fungi, and they feed directly on dead materials.
Plants only feed on what the fungi leave behind in the ground.

What do vegetarians think about that ? Is it edible or not ? Especially considering that fungus is actually some of the most efficient lifeforms around as far as converting food to body mass metabolisms.

81 posted on 12/11/2004 7:39:22 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: warchild9

To be honest I am a complete omnivore with a preference for meat; I am rather curious as to what drives some people to eat vegan though. Personally I have never felt that much compassion for anything dead on my plate other than to hope it died cleanly.


82 posted on 12/11/2004 7:40:53 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: Centurion2000

I'm convinced that veganism is unhealthy. Every one I've met has had some kind of health problem, which they have to deal with through some sort of supplement, which means there was something wrong with their diet in the first place. Fruitarians are the freakiest, though. Like, WTH? The next step is to follow the Vulcan example, and just eat one-celled organisms? And the next step after that...to hang upside down on tree limbs for the rest of one's life. But I digress...


83 posted on 12/11/2004 7:52:20 AM PST by warchild9 (Please, refer to me as DOCTOR Warchild. I've got the certificate to prove it, now! Yipee!)
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To: monday
I have a cousin that decided her baby boy will not eat meat.

I'm not kidding when I say that the kid didn't have hair until he was 5 years old!

I saw it here on the Free Republic..."If God didn't want us to eat animals, He wouldn't have made them out of meat!"

84 posted on 12/11/2004 8:07:35 AM PST by bangor505 (" Victory?....We're FRENCH, we don't even have a word for victory." -Simpsons)
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To: darth; mdhunter; MacDorcha
"Hunting" probably didnt have anything to do with it. The ability to digest likely developed much earlier in the primate tree than the proto-chimp that is suggested.


Crab Eating Macaques

Diet: Crab eating macaques have the habit of inserting their hand in small burrows or holes to find crabs or other animals. In the mangrove swamp they have learned to feed on crabs, crustaceans, shellfish and other small animals exposed by the low tide.

85 posted on 12/12/2004 10:06:00 PM PST by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: gnarledmaw

That explains our use for K-9s and our apparent build for sucking the marrow out of bones. How does this explain a habit of red meats?


86 posted on 12/12/2004 10:28:26 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
"That explains..."
I suppose it could. You can see here that our canines are rather atrophied compared to our existing more vegetarian primate relatives so Im not so sure theres a connection to meat eating with the canines. I have to admit that I dont know anything about marrow sucking adaptations.

"...red meat..."

I would suspect that red meat eating would be a later development of a more "cultural" type than physical that an already meat digesting, longer living, and intelligent primate would turn to.

The creature that can eat fish that wash up or are grabbed from tidal pools has a wider food selection than the one who can just eat shellfish and are therefor less susceptible to food shortages and competition. The ones capable of properly digesting the fatty fish have even less competition and a wider range of places to live. One of them finds a crippled mouse and gives it a try. Soon its offspring are moving inland to "hunt" by intentionally reach into rodent dens the same way previous generations reached into crab holes. The progression of food sources, habitats, and intelligence levels just continue but the critical meat eating and fat digesting ability of this proto-humanoid is already present from earlier forms.

FTR. Lest some reader think Im trying to pass myself off as some sort of paleoanthropologist, Im not, nor did I sleep in a particular hotel last night, Im just trying to use logical commoners SWAG.

87 posted on 12/12/2004 11:35:45 PM PST by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: gnarledmaw

"I suppose it could. You can see here that our canines are rather atrophied compared to our existing more vegetarian primate relatives so Im not so sure theres a connection to meat eating with the canines."

The connection with canines and meat eating is that if you eat meat... you normally use canines. They cut and pierce the meat, making it easy to swallow and digest. Primates with an apparent canine set are going to be hunting and using those teeth as hunting weapons. Yes, some use tools, but there is a trend (IMHO) that the more ingenuitive the primate is, the smaller their teeth are.

This would suggest that intellect (and the evolution thereof) would compensate for a lack of natural tools. Either that, or we were built this way for simplicity's sake.

The idea of red meats being a "cultural" type over a "physical" one overestimates human nature. If I knew there was a rabbit in a bush, and saw a deer 20 paces off as well, I would try to take down the deer first. This isn't to say "look at me, I can eat red meat" this is to say "I can provide enough food for a while now. Thank goodness." It would be a need more than a development of culture. More meat for a social creature insures survival of the group, and thus the individual.


88 posted on 12/13/2004 5:15:17 AM PST by MacDorcha
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89 posted on 06/10/2006 4:50:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (All Moslems everywhere advocate murder, including mass murder, and they do it all the time.)
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