Yep, it's a troll...
Posted on 12/09/2004 9:22:17 AM PST by Nascardude
Edited on 12/09/2004 10:05:10 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
The source DOES invalidate the question.
The STORY of 'we need more armor' has been there for a long time. Its been the top complaint for a few months, much earlier kevlar (now all up) but now for the vehicles.
The NEW thing here is that a solder was 'so mad' that he would publically 'dis' the Sec of Defense in a global televised Q&A. Its THAT part that was engineered by the reporter.
He found a soldier that was willing to 'go that far' and brought him to the Q&A that the reporter wanted to get into. He talked with the solder about the issue, and what points he 'might' like to make. He then talked to the NGO in charge of picking out soldiers for questions to make sure 'his guy' got called. Then he reported on all of it as if it was some 'boiling point' blowup that he had nothing to do with.
Again, what is new here? The 'we need more armor' complaint has been around, the story this time is how Rummy is getting it handed to his face by GI's that are so mad at him they will 'dis' him to his face. Without the reporter setting it all up, the chances of it happening 'naturally' are much lower. Thus by setting it up he distorts reality of the troops level of 'disgust' with the armor situion.
Don't be like those fuggen' libs who feel the HOW of a story doesn't matter if it brings up a good point, or furthers some alterior goal in some indirect way. (IE "Who cares if the reporter set it up, it brings up a good issie"
When you're ready to drive through Iraq in unarmored vehicles come see me. Until then....
Stop mischaracterizing my statements and position on this matter.
Sounds like someone needs a hug. :>
I did comment.
Why do you refuse to accept it?
Or do you not understand what I've said?
Talking to one's self is a sign of impending mental collapse.
"Huh? Rummy going to the troops to ask questions is what a Defense Sec. does."
And Rummy got a question. In my opinion a valid one.
"Stop making excuses for the reporter who tried to mainpulate the honest questions to push his anti-America agenda."
I am not making excuses for the reporter. The reporter was flat out wrong for setting the SecDef up. What I am saying is Rummy knew that could happen. To think otherwise wouldn't be prudent, wouldn't be wise.
There is no excuse for someone, especially a member of the American press to enter a war zone as an embed and show his gratitude by slamming the SecDef.
"I do appreciate YOUR questions however."
Thank you. I also wouldn't have asked that question. I wasn't trying to be facetious here. I haven't read much about the story. From my perspective, any question is a valid question as long as it was asked with respect.
I don't know how the soldier asked the question. I don't know much about a reporter encouraging a soldier to ask it. The only thing I heard was on the radio and that played back the question and the SecDefs response.
The guy was reading the question from a piece of paper.
The reporter sent a memo to his bosses bragging about setting it up.
But facts don't matter when you want to slam those in uniform, or just a convient target like Rumsfeld.
;-)
"So stop asking how dare he ask the question and go to WHY the question was even possible to raise."
Because after Somalia, questions were raised about teh Humvee and teh Clinton brass didn't have teh cojones to change anything.
Clinton cut back on our industrial ability to even armor Humvees I.E. there's only ONE factory capable of producing the armor grade steel used.
And instead of making a vehicle designed for the job, they are taking a two and a half ton light utility truck and asking it to do things it was never meant to do to begin with.
ON TOP OF THAT the reporter set it up.
That's the WHY of it.
Heaven knows this has only been said 900 times to the 'Nth' degree throughout this thread.
Yep, it's a troll...
You're missing the point. This is a unit integrity issue.
I don't think you can point out any slams I made on those in uniform or on Rumsfeld on this issue. But it may be that like many freepers, you will view solid disagreement of the 'party line' as a slam or as bashing. I cannot help your perceptions and inferences.
But I think that if you want to accuse me of slamming the troops you might want to consider where you are and where I am. My job is to support the troops. I don't just talk about it and fly a ribbon on my car or sport a bumpersticker.
My FRiend, I have something at stake in this arguement.
After you've made the drive through Baghdad without armor I might have more regard for your opinion.
I would not be surprised if you have had significantly more tv exposure on this than I have.
But I think that if you saw the vehicles on the road in Iraq you'd think a tad bit differently about it all.
Yep, it looks, sounds and smells like a Hate GW troll.
Well, let's just say this. We worry about our guys in armor, what about the iraqi terorists that are shooting our guys with out it. I can see them laughing at us because our concern now is our armour isn't thick enough to stop them. I firmly believe in making sure that you have as much protection as you can,but nobody was worried about putting armor on the trusty jeep, which the HumVee replaced. We have armoured troop carriers. Besides, from training we would Armour our transports with sandbags. Sure, there would be damage to the vehicle, but on the other side of the sandbag meant a piece of shrapnel didn't get to you
Oh the "It was good enough for our troops 60 years ago, it's good enough for them today" defense?
I think that the troops believe that America can do better.
Do you believe that America can do absolutely no better?
(btw, I don't really think that the AIF really give a dam about what is on the American or world media systems.)
Heck, they've been all over the thread!
*chuckle*
Are you sure anyone has said we CAN'T do better?
Can you provide exact quotes of that?
Really?
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