Intruding Chinese sub first circled Guam in suspected military drill [nuke to Marianas, then Japan]

Asahi Shimbun ^ | Dec 8, 2004 | unknown

[Mike Fieschko]

Saw this article mentioned today on Adventures of Chester blog.

[Strategerist]

Its 30-odd day voyage was monitored, almost from beginning to end, by the U.S. armed forces, the Self-Defense Forces and the Japan Coast Guard with patrol aircraft and surveillance satellites, the sources said.

Plausible since it might be the loudest sub in the world...

[Brilliant]

Remember when a Chinese pilot harrassing an American Navy plane over international waters ran into it and forced it to land? Apparently, the Chinese feel that it's OK to down American planes over international waters on the grounds that they are spying. I wonder how they'd feel about us sinking their spying subs?

[stm]

"Sources said the Han-class nuclear-powered submarine was likely practicing military maneuvers aimed at keeping U.S. naval forces in check in the event of a military emergency across the Taiwan Strait. "

If is like any other piece of military hardware coming out of that country, it is so noisy our fast attack subs or ASW aircraft will hear it coming a long way off and kill it before they even realize they are under attack. Best for China to stay on the porch with the puppies. They don't have the stroke to sail against the big dogs.

[1iron]

Yes. Let's give 'em a taste of their own medicine, and see what wusses they really are.

We can slap them back anytime we want, it is just a matter of willpower.

[Jeff Head]

The Han is a target waiting for a torpedo. It's loud and very inefficient. Same is true of their current, single SSBN, the Xia.

Now their new Type 093 SSN and Type 094 SSBN are a little better...but nothing close to our capabilities and they are not even launched yet.

The more serious threat IMHO, is their ex-Soviet Kilo's and their new Yaun class diesel/electric which may surpass the capabilities of the Kilo. BUt those are closer in to shore threats...more defensive in nature. Would be good for a Taiwan operation though.

The new PLAN Yuan Class

In addition, the Chinese are embarked on a massive naval program across the board, see The Rising Sea Dragon in Asia

[Axlrose]

They don't need to attack with submarines. They are conquoring America with the Dollar.

They bought the IBM PC business yesterday. US goverment PC's made by the commies ?

[gridlock]

Next time the accidentally stray into Japan, maybe Japan can accidentally drop a depth charge on them.

Wouldn't it be fun to see a disabled ChiComm sub towed into a Japanese port...

[Racehorse]

The Han is a target waiting for a torpedo.

Very likely the Chinese expected to be tracked every step of the way.  Wonder what they learned from the Japanese and American response?

[Al Gator]

Chinese military plans include a major push for a "blue" sea navy to counter the US.

The Japanese will become key players in this drama. I'm glad to see that they are stepping up to the plate and are being aggressive in tracking and shadowing these intrusions.

Need to push Tokyo to become even more engaged.

[Jeff Head]

The may have learned that the Han is dead the instant it takes to deep water...then again, unless they have made significant improvements in their own sensing capabilities...they may not have even learned even that.

My guess is that they have, and may have even been using some of the new stuff, installed on the old vessel, to check it out.

I bet we didn't open our fu;; capabilities up to them either. Stroke and counter stroke.

[Havoc]

What, I thought we were all friends together now since we've disowned millions of Americans of their jobs and given them to the chinese, mexicans and indians...

[coconutt2000]

Who's to complain if their sub suddenly disappears... in international waters?

[Jeff Head]

Agreed. See my post 6.

[Al Gator]

When those idiots in VQ-1 hand delivered our P-3 ebird to the Chinese a few years back, (instead of ditching at sea, which is SOP for that unit) they gave the Chicoms boodles of tracking and counter tracking technology.

Hope we have closed that hole.

[sukhoi-30mki]

Jeff,hope you know that the 8 new Kilos that are being built for the Chinese by Russia carry the Klub supersonic anti-ship/land attack missiles-from what Ive read those things are darn difficult to shoot down (theoritically speaking).There is every chance that the new Kilos could have an AIP module,allowing submerged operations for over 10 days(the average Kilo can go barely 2 days).That would make it a real threat against US facilities in Japan,though it's accuracy probably doesn't come near a Tomahawk.The only nation which uses the Klub now is India,which has around 5-6 subs & 3 guided missile frigates equipped with it.

The Yuans appear to be some sort of license built variant of the Kilo & it sure looks very similar.

[Robe]

The SDF had been tracking the vessel with P3C anti-submarine patrol aircraft and by other means for several days before the intrusion, the sources said.

"other means"see below USN VIRGINIA CLASS ATTACK SUB

[sukhoi-30mki]

Hmm,the SDF here refers to the Japanese maritime self defense force(that's right ,the second best navy in the world is not known as a navy!!).They only operate D/E subs,which are pretty excellent,though.

The USN may have lent a helping hand,given the huge number of assets in the region,but I don't think the Virginia was among them-it's only recently been commisioned & is probably still being put through it's paces.Besides,an LA class boat is more than adequate to track a noisy Han class boat.

[Bon mots]

Its 30-odd day voyage was monitored, almost from beginning to end, by the U.S. armed forces, the Self-Defense Forces and the Japan Coast Guard with patrol aircraft and surveillance satellites, the sources said.

Plausible since it might be the loudest sub in the world...

It also might be a decoy. Maybe there are two loud ones doing noisy stuff, and one really quiet one sneaking off the coast of Honolulu...

[Bon mots]

When those idiots in VQ-1 hand delivered our P-3 ebird to the Chinese a few years back, (instead of ditching at sea, which is SOP for that unit) they gave the Chicoms boodles of tracking and counter tracking technology.

We should make such aircraft capable of landing at sea.