Gregoire & The Memo: Attorney General Claims Ignorance

Rossi Transition Team | 8 December 2004 | Josef K (On Mary Lane's Behalf)

[Publius]

You'll get no argument from me about that.

[JosefK]

Thanks. Cantwell's strong on national security and I heard the same from Timothy Goddard - one of your better bloggers on your side of the aisle.

Like the good senator, I believe in working across party lines for the common good whenever possible.

[Spok]

Too funny. But we all know that a Democrats perception of what 'the law' is depends on who's on top.

[JosefK]

Hmmmm...

Look, there's another side to the story. You'll hear it in good time.

And I - in genuine protest - voted J. Mills for Senate as the Libertarian. Besides, I think we shoud let ONE of them into the Senate and force those upstarts to tackle real issues...

[JosefK]

Republicans too - Tom Delay ring a bell?

Then you wonder why I'm a Dinocrat - I despise ideological traitors within the party that can't live and govern by the principles of the party.

[Phantom Lord]

You said to go to your blog, so I did. I found you posted and gave your full support to the positions contained in this letter to the editor...

To The Editor:

What kind of "moral values" include corporate monopolies, control over the airwaves, manipulation of what would otherwise have been democratic elections?

We know that the moral values of the Democrats include helping people, and that' exactly why the Democrats give us Social Security, minimum wage laws, worker safety regulations, child labor laws, overtime pay, water pollution control, air pollution controls, the Endangered Species Act, funding for and support of public education, and the preservation of millions of acres of national (public) land.

The "values" of the right-wing Republican Party is to disenfranchise, to privatize, to control, to elevate the lives of the very wealthy at the expense of the very poor, to legislate lifestyles, to promote hatred, especially hatred of anyone different from the way "they" life their lives (publicly at least), to the invading of privacy, to telling women what they are allowed to do with their own bodies, of self-centeredness, and of catering to the irrational right-wing religious bigots.

Republicans want to privatize "Social Security, steal public school money Giving it to private schools via vouchers), ignore and fight to dismantle the clean air, clean water and Endangered Species Acts. They've opposed the above when proposed. Mr. Bush tried to get rid of overtime pay altogether and that was in his first term.

When a Republican whines "moral values," its translation is "bigotry of the bullies." They have no morality and their "values" are in the minus column. Would Jesus match lockstep with the baneful Republican Party?

Melody Good
Camas, WA

If you are supportive of and believe such things you are not long for this site.

[JosefK]

Good catch. However, this is what I also said:

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Free advice for Governor-elect Dino Rossi and Attorney General-elect Rob McKenna: Don't be a "Melody Good Republican". Just be moderates and privatize with caution and you'll keep my support. The latter's opposed some Eyman initiatives and both are pro-environment. Sometimes I wonder what they are doing in the GOP!!!

But then again, Christine Gregoire wants to "disenfranchise" by denying access to public records and to hurt the environment by defending fast ferries going at full speed in Rich Passage. I could go on. I'm not interested in tirades and I think this letter to the editor left a few things out. Like civil liberties, tax restraint, etcetera.

That said, if you believe Melody Good or I are being unfair - please opine.
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We had an interesting debate at http://www.horsesass.org/index.php?p=269 regarding the letter.

Here's a snippet:

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Well, I did some good in posting that letter, eh?

Got some discussion and debate and definition going.

I like the “We need a Compromise Party in America!” line - sounds like me.

I also want to reply to “What is unfortunate is the attitude of many on the left. Many seem to think their values are superior and their policies flow from their values. If you don?t support their particular policy then you don?t support the value behind it. There is almost an ?elite? or ?condescending? attitude that if you disagree with their policy or advocate another way you are uncaring, mean spirited or just plain evil.”

Well, I’ve had that problem in opposing I-884. I felt it would wreck the state economy, do horrendous damage to my county (Skagit) and any other that’s a border economy (like Whatcom and Spokane for starters), the “accountability” was anything but, and it would give the Educrats holding my alma mater Skagit Valley College hostage more power. So because I opposed it - I got branded “anti-education.”

Again, this is a lively debate we need to have. And unlike another lively debate at SoundPolitics about immigration - we’re being relatively civil.

Comment by Josef — 11/26/04 @ 8:58 pm
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Of course there's a new forum at http://www.permanentdefense.com/forum for you to participate (Please retain some self-control. And kindly blame Marsha Richards for me being in her wake wash...)

[JosefK]

You all - if you want to debate the letter and ask politely, I will post the letter on its own.

Let's try to refocus on the press release and e-mail it to all our friends. Doubly so to the press...

[Phantom Lord]

Don't be fooled by this guy. Here is his definition/explanation of what a republican is (from his own web site)...

The Republicans: Easily defined in the era of Rush & Rove into the me-me-me-me-me (my faith, my gun, my tax cut, my worldview, my agenda, me before all, etcetera) party. That’s what they’re about, essentially. If you doubt that, then just remember that Republicans opposed The New Deal, opposed the Great Society, propose more religious intermingling with government, and propose Individual Retirement Accounts to supplant Social Security – the latter being the means of our parents taxing us for their needs (and rightfully so, although I remain open to Social Security reform ideas). Moreover, unlike the last big war presidents FDR and Truman – this one will not mobilize the national economy nor crack down on government procurement abuse (which is how a U.S. Senator named Harry S. Truman rose to national prominence). That's the GOP way... me-me-me-me-me (and accountability politics when it suits them).

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[JosefK]

And he forgets completely what else I said at

[JosefK]

And he forgets completely what else I said at the above link: - - - - - (Okay, folks because I've got to start disconnecting as the end of the academic semester hovers and I'm in the middle of chaos, this will probably be the post of & for the weekend - editor's note.) Folks, I have been asked the past few weeks by some of you all either why I'm still a Democrat or why I'm supporting Republicans. Well, let me define the 3 main parties and explain why with a 1-sentence summary in Arial: The Democrats: Democrats believe in the right to access the best medical care (including abortion in consultation with her doctor and stem-cell research), believe in common-sense environmental protection, believe corporations really don’t need the help of taxpayers (but shouldn’t be regulated to death either), believe Democrats are the ACLU party, and believe that Democrats should be the peoples’ party who want equal opportunity for all and like I - many New Democrats believe government should help people help themselves. Basically the all for one and one for all party. The Republicans: Easily defined in the era of Rush & Rove into the me-me-me-me-me (my faith, my gun, my tax cut, my worldview, my agenda, me before all, etcetera) party. That’s what they’re about, essentially. If you doubt that, then just remember that Republicans opposed The New Deal, opposed the Great Society, propose more religious intermingling with government, and propose Individual Retirement Accounts to supplant Social Security – the latter being the means of our parents taxing us for their needs (and rightfully so, although I remain open to Social Security reform ideas). Moreover, unlike the last big war presidents FDR and Truman – this one will not mobilize the national economy nor crack down on government procurement abuse (which is how a U.S. Senator named Harry S. Truman rose to national prominence). That's the GOP way... me-me-me-me-me (and accountability politics when it suits them). The Libertarians: They almost have the GOP evolution down pat, but it’s “all for all” (a.k.a. all on our own) and “free for all” from taxes, rules, regulations, etcetera. Libertarians like Eyman (who elope in the GOP to slink into the mainstream) believe in tax cuts and demonizing local government. I hope I started to answer your questions. I also hope my perceptions border on the correct and would be willing to make corrections after I read your comments. Now, me I'm a Democrat-leaning Independent who's a Dinocrat because Gregoire is no fan of civil liberties (I've blogged that HERE). Dino and especially RMK are. Gregoire ran away from my party and embodies state bureaucracy. Rossi is at the mercy of the Dinocrats... just like a certain US Senator I really like being targeted by his party. Like I said, please feel free to comment during the weekend. I'll blog a reply on Monday or Tuesday once I catch up on life. - - - - - Note this too: Now, me I'm a Democrat-leaning Independent who's a Dinocrat because Gregoire is no fan of civil liberties (I've blogged that HERE). Dino and especially RMK are. Gregoire ran away from my party and embodies state bureaucracy. Rossi is at the mercy of the Dinocrats... just like a certain US Senator I really like being targeted by his party. That Senator being John McCain...

[dangus]

>>Dino's father was a "Scoop" Democrat, <<

DINO's father was a DINO? THat's hysterical!

[JosefK]

And he forgets completely what else I said at the above link:

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Folks, I have been asked the past few weeks by some of you all either why I'm still a Democrat or why I'm supporting Republicans. Well, let me define the 3 main parties and explain why with a 1-sentence summary in Arial:

The Democrats: Democrats believe in the right to access the best medical care (including abortion in consultation with her doctor and stem-cell research), believe in common-sense environmental protection, believe corporations really don’t need the help of taxpayers (but shouldn’t be regulated to death either), believe Democrats are the ACLU party, and believe that Democrats should be the peoples’ party who want equal opportunity for all and like I - many New Democrats believe government should help people help themselves. Basically the all for one and one for all party.

The Republicans: Easily defined in the era of Rush & Rove into the me-me-me-me-me (my faith, my gun, my tax cut, my worldview, my agenda, me before all, etcetera) party. That’s what they’re about, essentially. If you doubt that, then just remember that Republicans opposed The New Deal, opposed the Great Society, propose more religious intermingling with government, and propose Individual Retirement Accounts to supplant Social Security – the latter being the means of our parents taxing us for their needs (and rightfully so, although I remain open to Social Security reform ideas). Moreover, unlike the last big war presidents FDR and Truman – this one will not mobilize the national economy nor crack down on government procurement abuse (which is how a U.S. Senator named Harry S. Truman rose to national prominence). That's the GOP way... me-me-me-me-me (and accountability politics when it suits them).

The Libertarians: They almost have the GOP evolution down pat, but it’s “all for all” (a.k.a. all on our own) and “free for all” from taxes, rules, regulations, etcetera. Libertarians like Eyman (who elope in the GOP to slink into the mainstream) believe in tax cuts and demonizing local government.

I hope I started to answer your questions. I also hope my perceptions border on the correct and would be willing to make corrections after I read your comments. Now, me I'm a Democrat-leaning Independent who's a Dinocrat because Gregoire is no fan of civil liberties (I've blogged that HERE). Dino and especially RMK are. Gregoire ran away from my party and embodies state bureaucracy. Rossi is at the mercy of the Dinocrats... just like a certain US Senator I really like being targeted by his party.

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Note especially this too:

Now, me I'm a Democrat-leaning Independent who's a Dinocrat because Gregoire is no fan of civil liberties (I've blogged that HERE). Dino and especially RMK are. Gregoire ran away from my party and embodies state bureaucracy. Rossi is at the mercy of the Dinocrats... just like a certain US Senator I really like being targeted by his party. That Senator being John McCain...

If you're a right wing whack, you probably shouldn't have voted Rossi because that't what you won't get.

[JosefK]

Full formatting is at http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com/2004/11/defining-democrats-republicans-and.html

[Publius]

In Washington state, "Scoop Jackson" Democrats and "Dan Evans" Republicans occupy much of the same ideological space. If you're Catholic or Jewish, you'll likely be a "Scoop Jackson" Democrat. If you're Protestant, you'll likely be a "Dan Evans" Republican.

I mentioned this to Dino when I lunched with him last February, and he agreed. His late father, being a blue collar Catholic, classified himself as a "Scoop Jackson" Democrat.

[JosefK]

Friendly PING

[JosefK]

Good point. I hear Dan Evans isn't liked by Republicans - I wonder why.

[RinaseaofDs]

Paul Wolfowitz and John Lehman were on Scoop's staff. Interesting to see where they ended up.

[Publius]

Ideologues of either party have problems with "Scoop Jackson" Democrats and "Dan Evans" Republicans. However, in the state legislature pragmatism reigns because state representatives and senators are elected to solve problems, not make them.

There are a number of "Dan Evans" Republicans in the legislature, just as there are a number of "Scoop Jackson" Democrats. Both groups like to avoid ideology, think outside the box, and come up workable solutions. I've had dealings with both groups and prefer to work with them, rather than with the ideologues.

[JosefK]

Well, then that is who I am. I also admit to erring a bit about posting about Melody Good, but the extreme tilt of the GOP lately got me into the "me-me-me" mode...

I mean look at how John McCain has been treated... while Tom Delay isn't being held accountable by his own grassroots.

Okay, I admit I shouldn't talk too much - look at how I've been treated and how Christine Gregoire is only being held accountable by Dinocrat ballots.