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Finally - a breakthrough for oil?
Telepolis ^ | 12/06/2004 | Craig Morris

Posted on 12/08/2004 9:30:48 AM PST by ckilmer

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You need to tie half your brain behind your back to think like a California City. Grant money does not go into the General Fund, and would certainly not come in the same Fiscal Year as the hire. The procurer's salary comes from the General Fund, which is already running a deficit which means layoffs. If you hire a non-Union employee while laying off Union Employees you're not gonna get the City Council of a California municipality to agree.

Until another City, like Philadelphia according to the article, works out all the kinks and demonstrates a track record, our City Council will view this as Pie-in-the-sky. They want short term solutions, and just don't understand how much revenue this will generate.

Unless you get a grant to hire the grant procurer...

We do have enough managers that write grant applications that we may still see this happen, it's just not quite as easy as snapping fingers.


81 posted on 12/09/2004 8:57:36 AM PST by Go_Raiders ("Being able to catch well in a crowd just means you can't get open, that's all." -- James Lofton)
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To: Go_Raiders
That's dry solid waste (sludge).

Thanks for the link but that still doesn't make sense. 6,900 million tons/yr of dry sludge would mean that every US citizen would have to consume at least 130 pounds of groceries every day.

Where is all this crud coming from? I think somebody slipped up by a few orders of magnitude.

82 posted on 12/09/2004 10:14:09 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Go_Raiders

I did a little research and it looks like the numbers at the source you cited were off by a factor of a thousand. The EPA report that it was based on claimed 6.9 million tons per year for the US, not 6,900 million tons. I couldn't get the original EPA report but I found about three other links that cite the same report:

http://mailman.cloudnet.com/pipermail/compost/2000-March/006446.html

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:XkBQDW6phI4J:www.environmental-expert.com/magazine/destech/jrst/Regulations%2520for%2520Biosolids,%2520Iranpour.pdf+%22EPA530-R-99-009%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://www.safewatergroup.org/whats_new/synthetic_organic_pollutants.htm

So, anyway, that figures to be about 1/3 of a pound of dry sludge per person per day. You can't run your car very far on that.


83 posted on 12/09/2004 11:20:51 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: kpp_kpp

Yes they are; it is about 85% efficient, or so the claims go.


84 posted on 12/09/2004 3:27:41 PM PST by Meldrim
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To: The Great RJ

If they can turn sewer waste in water/oil then every city will be a Dubai.


85 posted on 12/09/2004 3:28:35 PM PST by Meldrim
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To: ckilmer

Is the "wood" in wood waste inclusive of construction demolition debris?


86 posted on 12/09/2004 3:49:11 PM PST by Meldrim
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To: ckilmer
If oil creation can be decentralized as much as this technology promises then money/capital will tend to flow back to underfunded areas of the world.

Precisely. Rural areas of the US could become oil exporters from the agricultural waste alone.

87 posted on 12/09/2004 3:51:39 PM PST by Meldrim
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To: wildbill
"They regularly have sudden diseases that can kill off 50,000 turkeys at a time."

Then they'd have 50K whole turkeys to run through the machine.

88 posted on 12/09/2004 3:56:27 PM PST by Meldrim
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To: ckilmer
That's agood envelope analysis. If we could cut our current levels of imported oil by 67%, demand would drop considerably and the peace loving mooooslums would be in a real bind.

Sucks don't it!

Good old Yankee ingenuity is at it again - I'm all for it!

89 posted on 12/09/2004 3:57:28 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Go_Raiders

Get Duncan Hunter off his azzz and get a line item in the federal budget. If they can waste money on the Corp for Public Broadcasting they can help with this.


90 posted on 12/09/2004 3:57:56 PM PST by Meldrim
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To: Tanniker Smith
What's turkey offal? Turkey poop.

Actually offal is guts and the inedible stuff.

91 posted on 12/09/2004 4:01:53 PM PST by ErnBatavia (ErnBatavia, Coulter, Malkin, Ingraham....the ultimate Menage a Quatro)
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To: ckilmer
Great article!

Hope this pans out in the very near future...

92 posted on 12/09/2004 5:08:11 PM PST by JDoutrider (Defeating Kerry was only the opening salvo in the war on leftist hate...)
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To: Meldrim

Is the "wood" in wood waste inclusive of construction demolition debris?
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likely that would be the last place they'd go. the concrete plaster sheetrock iron and nails wouldn't work. the wood would be ok but it would be too expensive culling it from the other stuff.


93 posted on 12/09/2004 7:48:00 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
The place where we get rid of ours has you separate the concrete, so you'd be dealing with sheetrock, wood, nails and some wire. The process sounds as though it would leave the mineral content and metals for recovery, with the carbon liquifying around the nails.

I'd guess asphalt shingles would make decent feedstock.

94 posted on 12/10/2004 4:16:29 PM PST by Meldrim
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Anything into Oil (Change trash & sewage to oil for $15@barrel)
DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 5 | May 2003 | Brad Lemley
Posted on 08/20/2003 9:34:41 AM EDT by ckilmer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/967192/posts


95 posted on 12/02/2007 10:39:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s nearly 4 years later (since this article). Anyone know what the current state of progress is? Found the following in Wikipedia but it doesn’t really give an updated progress report:

Thermal depolymerization

Main article: Thermal depolymerization

Thermal depolymerization (TDP) is an important new process for the reduction of complex organic materials into light crude oil. These materials may include non oil-based waste products, such as old tires, offal, wood and plastic. The process mimics the natural geological processes thought to be involved in the production of fossil fuels. Under pressure and heat, long chain polymers of hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon decompose into short-chain petroleum hydrocarbons.

Conversion efficiencies can be very high: Working with turkey offal as the feedstock, the process proved to have yield efficiencies of approximately 85%. That is, the end products contained 85% of the energy contained in the inputs to the process - most notably the energy content of the feedstock, but also accounting for electricity for pumps and natural gas for heating.

It has been estimated that in the United States, agricultural waste alone could be used to produce 3.7 billion barrels of oil per year. The USA currently consumes 7.5 billion barrels (232.5 billion US gallons) of oil per year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel


96 posted on 12/02/2007 11:06:50 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT - REPEAT")
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To: Enchante

In the last year sometime, there was a Pop Sci article about research using electrical plasma bursts to process waste into gaseous fuel (the inorganics settle out, that includes the metals and such). But anyway, check out the link to “Anything Into Oil?”, and the subsequent links in that topic.


97 posted on 12/02/2007 11:18:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ckilmer

How does a 3 year old post become breaking news?


98 posted on 12/02/2007 11:29:45 PM PST by fella (The proper application of the truth far more important than the knowledge of it's existance."Ike")
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