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NYT: Israeli Soldier Is Killed as Palestinian Agent Sets Trap
NY Times ^ | December 7, 2004 | GREG MYRE

Posted on 12/07/2004 4:42:38 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

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To: Cinnamon Girl

Israeli soldiers scuffle with Protesters Hamas sympathizers during a protest at the construction site of Israel's controversial security barrier in the West Bank village of Boudros near Ramallah, December 7, 2004. REUTERS/ Gil Cohen Magen
21 posted on 12/07/2004 5:43:39 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: xJones; dennisw
Lot's of first person articles at the link.

The will to win

At 2:00pm on 6 October 1973, more than 220 Egyptian warplanes flew over the Suez Canal and attacked Israeli command centres in the Sinai. "Operation Badr", soon to be known as the October War, had been launched, and a new stage in Egyptian and Arab history was opened.

Twenty-five years later, both the direct effects and the long-term ramifications of the October War, domestically, regionally and internationally, remain subject to debate. President Mubarak this week described as the product of "ignorance and prejudice" Israel's attempts to denigrate the Egyptian victory. These attempts are belied not only by the facts, but also by the statements Israel's own leaders and commentators made at the time, some of which are reproduced in this supplement.

Other aspects of the fallout from October are less clear. There is little doubt that the war opened the way to the Middle East peace process, which effectively began with disengagement agreements Egypt and Syria concluded with Israel soon after the guns had fallen silent. Sadat, hailed in Egypt as "the hero of war and peace", acted swiftly to try and reap the fruits of the victory and liberate occupied Arab territories. As far as Egypt was concerned, the results were spectacular. By 1982, Egypt had regained sovereignty over all of occupied Sinai, save for Taba, which was returned to the motherland in '89. Not a single Israeli settlement or installation remained on Egyptian territory.

In 1982, however, Sadat's optimistic declaration that the October '73 War would be the last Arab-Israeli war had to be qualified; making it the last "major" Arab-Israeli war. Israel invaded Lebanon and wreaked havoc on its capital, Beirut. And a quarter of a century after the October War, the prospects for a comprehensive and just peace in the region appear, if anything, more remote than they were in '73, despite the Madrid peace process, the accords the Palestinians and Jordan have concluded with Israel, and the progress that, not so long ago, seemed to have been achieved in Israeli-Syrian peace negotiations.

The October War was, without a doubt, the high point of Arab solidarity. A core axis formed by Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia was able to mobilise the Arab world as never before. But international and regional conditions have changed, possibly beyond recognition, since 1973, and it is an open question whether the three allies today could muster even a semblance of the Arab solidarity they were able to enlist during the war and in its immediate aftermath.

One fundamental aspect of the war, however, cannot be dissipated by a fast-changing world. The shattering defeat of June '67 failed to break the Egyptians. After five years of resolve, sound planning and hard work, they were able to do what even they, not to mention the whole world, had believed was impossible. It all came together in a moment of great heroism, national unity and self-sacrifice -- the "uncrossable" Suez Canal was crossed, the "invincible" Bar Lev line was destroyed, Sinai was returned.

This, ultimately, is the lesson of October '73 and it is this, above all, that Egyptians were celebrating this week. f

22 posted on 12/07/2004 5:47:04 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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Let's not forget that to this day Egypt celebrates their great victory in the 73 war. It's a different reality.

Great victory? The Egyptian army was trapped and only the U.N. saved them with a cease-fire.

23 posted on 12/07/2004 5:47:53 PM PST by xJones
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...little doubt that the war opened the way to the Middle East peace process,

The new battlefield.

24 posted on 12/07/2004 5:49:07 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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Hope the spokesman realizes the IDF likely knows the face under the mask.

He's a dead man, even if he's still walking.

25 posted on 12/07/2004 5:52:42 PM PST by xJones
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Lots of 1973 Yom Kippur war information. Thanks! Richard Nixon, Alexander Haig, Kissinger came through when it was needed otherwise Israel would have nuked the Egyptian armored columns.


26 posted on 12/07/2004 5:54:00 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: dennisw
Richard Nixon, Alexander Haig, Kissinger came through when it was needed
27 posted on 12/07/2004 5:55:57 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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As far as I know you are right to cross off Henry Kissenger. I had an old (90 years) Jewish neighbor who would rail against him endlessly when I brought up the 1973 war.
28 posted on 12/07/2004 6:03:22 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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Golda Meir gave great credit to Nixon in her autobiography, "My Life" in 1975 when it almost publisher's suicide to say anything nice about him. She didn't forget.
29 posted on 12/07/2004 6:31:30 PM PST by xJones
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To: West Coast Conservative

Tomorrow's another day, and the Israelis will make sure they get the M-effers.


30 posted on 12/07/2004 7:16:06 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Mourners Kaddish.


31 posted on 12/07/2004 7:43:44 PM PST by onedoug
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Death to Mideast Klansmen. Condolences to Staff Sergeant Nadav Kudinsky's family, friends and fellow soldiers.


32 posted on 12/07/2004 8:07:32 PM PST by PGalt
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"Hamas .... Needs to be wasted with extreme prejudice" That is truth! That persons is not good evil devil persons!


33 posted on 12/08/2004 12:04:58 AM PST by anonymoussierra
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To: Alouette

Good morning Thank you!


34 posted on 12/08/2004 12:05:30 AM PST by anonymoussierra
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To: Cinnamon Girl; IAF ThunderPilot; West Coast Conservative; Alouette; SJackson

"Israeli soldiers mourn at the grave of Stf. Sgt. Nadav Kudinsky, an army dog handler, during his funeral in Kiryat Gat, southern Israel,Thursday Dec. 7, 2004. Hamas militants killed the Israeli soldier and wounded four with an explosion in a booby-trapped chicken coop Tuesday, in what the Islamic group said was an elaborate scheme to lure troops to the area with the help of a double agent.(AP Photo/Tsafrir Abayov)"

For some reason, I cannot get the first picture of the group of mourning Israeli soliders Cinnamon Girl posted to paste here in my reply. I wanted very much to paste it in my reply, as it hit me like a locomotive.

What a deeply moving picture! I don't have the words to say what I feel seeing this picture and reading the article. I wish I did. All that I am able to say is that my heart goes out to these young Israeli soldiers and the family of Stf. Sgt. Nadav Kudinsky. May his soul rest with the Lord.


35 posted on 12/08/2004 5:00:25 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of shucking and jiving)
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May god revenge his death, and may his soul rest in peace in the land of Israel which Nadav served, as so many other soldiers who died for their friends and for their family so they will continue living without fear.


36 posted on 12/08/2004 11:02:02 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israel Defence Forces)
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This photo of a diary page released Tuesday, Dec. 7, 2004 by the Ghetto Fighters House museum in northern Israel shows a diagram of a hideout, and a description in Polish by a Jewish woman of her final days of the uprising against the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto in May 1943. A six-page diary, which was found recently among other artifacts at the archives of the Holocaust museum, was written by an unnamed woman and is part of the only know account written during the unsuccessful Warsaw Ghetto uprising Israeli soldiers greet each other after pulling out of eastern Gaza City following an army operation, as they arrive in Nahal Oz, just outside the Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Tuesday Dec. 7, 2004. Israeli troops moved into the neighborhood early Tuesday after militants set off explosives in a booby-trapped chicken coop killing one Israeli soldier and wounding four, the Israeli army and militants said. At least two Palestinian militants were also killed in the ensuing gunbattle, Palestinian sources said
37 posted on 12/08/2004 12:36:13 PM PST by anonymoussierra
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