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Muscular Christians Flex Their Muscles
TAS ^ | 12/7/2004 | S. T. Karnick

Posted on 12/07/2004 2:52:37 PM PST by swilhelm73

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To: swilhelm73
"...and the organizers of the local Christmas parade denied permission for a local church to participate. "

So, does anyone know if they finally agreed to let the church participate?

41 posted on 12/07/2004 5:20:19 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: swilhelm73

It is past time to take back the streets and tell the lunatic mediots of the media, we aren't being pushed around anymore.


42 posted on 12/07/2004 5:50:57 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans Articles = GIM=GAY INFECTED MEDIOTS!)
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To: RJL

It's not too late to do it this year if they get going.


43 posted on 12/07/2004 6:37:54 PM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: followerofchrist

"There is no Christian origin to the celebration. It is Pagan in its origins and most Christians know that. Christ was born when the sheep were on high ground being sheared. That wouldn't be dead winter."

It is a commemoration of the Nativity.

Our Lord told us that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Reasoning from that principle, if it is more felicitous for us men--for historical and practical reasons--to celebrate Christmas in mid-winter, then I very much doubt that God minds in the least.


44 posted on 12/07/2004 6:45:20 PM PST by dsc
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To: Savage Beast

"Muscular Christianity" is simply an overtly confessing Christianity that goes back to the time of the apostles. It is way past time for Christians who mainly pay every salary of every public official in this country to demand some respect for our Lord and our faith. As Jesus said, "If you will not confess Me before men, I will not confess you before My Father who is in heaven." That mean hell, folks.


45 posted on 12/07/2004 6:54:59 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: swilhelm73
it is important to recognize that the maintenance of civil peace requires that a community reflect fundamental realities such as people's religious beliefs,

Fine so far, but...

lest citizens come to see the government as an open adversary.

Too late. We already do.

46 posted on 12/07/2004 8:13:55 PM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: swilhelm73
a throwback to the nineteenth-century Anglo-American idea of "muscular Christianity."

And none too soon.

47 posted on 12/07/2004 8:15:34 PM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: swilhelm73

Merry Christmas.


48 posted on 12/07/2004 9:13:22 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic changes have consequences.)
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To: swilhelm73
How about Testosterone Taoism or Brawnish Buddhism ?/p>
49 posted on 12/07/2004 10:34:49 PM PST by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: swilhelm73
"We try to be inclusive and represent the entire community.… But you have to realize what is the vast majority of the community, and they need to be included, as well."

This is totally bullshi'ite. The majority was denied as the town is majority Christian. One of the groups INVITED, not just "allowed" was a homosexual native indian advocacy group. How's that for minority/majority identity crisis.

If these bozos cannot tell that the makeup of Denver is slightly more Christian than homosexual indian cross dressers I suspect they do not get out much. I also suspect that they hang out with some seriously strange people.

This was a direct attack on Christianity by those opposed to that religion, using their government powers illegally to suppress a religion. They should be judged in court, fired along with the Mayor and most of the staff and the city should make restitution to the citizens for it's obvious unconstitutional excesses and abuse of power.

50 posted on 12/07/2004 10:35:03 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

Merry Christmas


51 posted on 12/08/2004 12:09:58 AM PST by Cinnamon
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To: All

"The kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and
the violent take it by force." -Matt 11:12

(Note: violence means a strong effort, not violence in the term we think of it).

It is nice to see some starting to work hard for the kingtom.


52 posted on 12/08/2004 12:19:01 AM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: followerofchrist

Who cares. We don't celebrate the origins.


53 posted on 12/08/2004 12:20:37 AM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: dsc
Don't be fooled, my friend. That guy is a followerofmohammed.
54 posted on 12/08/2004 12:36:39 AM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Talking_Mouse
Even the Illinois American Civil Liberties Union agrees, to the point of recently saying that it's all right for public schools to have overtly Christian Christmas carols in school activities, according to an article in yesterday's Chicago Tribune. "Christmas songs about Christ are fine at this time of year, [IACLU] spokesman Ed Yohnka said," the Tribune story noted. That sounds quite different from the position typically staked out by the national American Civil Liberties Union.

Maybe the revelation by the ACLU has something to do with this:

In 1976, Congress passed the Civil Rights Attorneys Fee Awards Act, which was designed to encourage private lawyers to take on suits to protect civil and constitutional rights. The law provides that judges can order federal and state governments to pay legal fees to private lawyers who sued the government and won. The result has been a flood of civil rights cases in federal court. From The New American Feb. 2, 1987

It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches.

That means "values voters" have been footing the bill for the ACLU's launching a juggernaut to remove Ten Commandments images, Christmas creches and Christmas carols, taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols. The ACLU has collected a huge amount of our tax dollars in this left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU.

FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism. We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU's Christian-hating activities. Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear. Here's what we can do.

The IRS should determine whether the ACLU is properly accounting for all its tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether it is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. We need to know whether the ACLU is engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices.

REFERENCE SOURCE FOR ARGUING REPEAL TO CONGRESS

Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.

Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.

During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned.

Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.

Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.

In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.

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The ACLU was founded on January 12, 1920. Among its founders were William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Louis F. Budenz. All three later became prominent leaders of the Communist Party, USA, although Budenz broke with the Party in 1945 and became a militant anti-Communist.

55 posted on 12/08/2004 12:47:29 AM PST by Liz
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To: swilhelm73
........the city's mayor decided to replace the traditional "Merry Christmas" banner atop the local City and County Building with a "Happy Holidays" greeting and the organizers of the local Christmas parade denied permission for a local church to participate.....

The Secular Taliban strikes again. They will be stopped.

56 posted on 12/08/2004 12:49:39 AM PST by Liz
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Even the Illinois American Civil Liberties Union agrees, to the point of recently saying that it's all right for public schools to have overtly Christian Christmas carols in school activities,

How nice of the ACLU to give us permission to celebrate Christmas. If they don't want to celebrate Christmas than they shouldn't take the day off.

Put Christ back in Christmas

57 posted on 12/08/2004 2:02:56 AM PST by patj
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To: patj
How nice of the ACLU to give us permission to celebrate Christmas.

This statement illustrates as nothing else can the unchecked power the ACLU Secular Taliban has over Christian-Americans. They will be stopped.

58 posted on 12/08/2004 2:45:37 AM PST by Liz
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To: swilhelm73
sounds like they're asking for a biblical butt whoopin


59 posted on 12/08/2004 4:38:56 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Cinnamon

And may you and your family have a very Merry Christmans too!


60 posted on 12/08/2004 5:35:59 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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