Cost of illegal immigration in California estimated at nearly $9 billion (VERY INFORMATIVE!!!)

North County Times ^ | 12/06/2004 | EDWARD SIFUENTES - Staff Writer

[Area51]

Can we send the Bill to the RINOS running the Country?

Oh wait they are all busy Lining up behind Susan Collins for her support of a National Security overhaul without ADRESSING MILLIONS CRIMINALLY INVADING OUR COUNTRY, or behind Linsey Graham who is about to give us all a bit of BOHICA with a increase in the SSI Taxes.

It's time to review again Fellow Freepers...

This message has been brought to you by one of the POOR SAPS HAVING TO PAY THE BILL FOR THIS FRUCKING MESS. Everytime I see Collins on the Tube stammering to speak some GD East Coast Double Talk I want to reach into the TV and B!tch slap her silly. Of Course today she was there with a Democrat Senator to support her position.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

FAIR report here:http://www.fairus.org/news/NewsPrint.cfm?ID=2569&c=13

[SierraWasp]

Seems as though "there's a bad mood on the RIGHT!!!"

This thread's up to 30+ heated replies before I even have time to think who to ping to it... WOW!!!

[SierraWasp]

"Shhh....."

C'mon, don't stutter! Are you trying to say a disgusting four letter word?

[Dante3]

Any politician who supports illegal aliens -- all of whom are criminals, many extremely violent and demented -- is bribed or has other vested interest, is a sleeper agent, hates this country, wants to turn this country in a Third World Country, and/or is mentally ill.

[matchwood]

I am very curious if the tax payer in California cares.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Or all of the above.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Our best advocates are Ken and John on KFI radio, and it's a shame they're more ethical on this issue than our elected officials

And all the neo-republicans and Rhinos could do is bad mouth and mock them when KFI was going after the fraud, David Dreier.

These "party before country" hacks are the problem, and will do anything to hold onto power while counting their profits on the backs of the tax payers.

[gubamyster]

ping

[Joe Hadenuf]

I am very curious if the tax payer in California cares.

You clearly don't know anything about California.

Ever hear of CA prop 187?

Ever hear of AZ prop 200? The one the judge just stopped from being law.

Guess who appointed this judge?

[CTpatriot]

El Presidente Bush wants open borders and wants illegals in this country. Further, he also wants them to have drivers licenses. Any questions? Call the White House and ask him why. Oh...that's right....Homeland Security. Perhaps another 3,400 deaths will convince him otherwise?

[RS]

"Including the number of U.S.-born children in the study is one of the reasons pro-immigrant groups said the study is biased."

Well duh... if you include the cost of citizens in it, it IS biased ...

[matchwood]

That same situation seems to be afflicting all of America. Appointed for Life judges can't be voted out of office - they can only be impeached.

Changing the dynamics of our elected officials could take 50 years and by that time, our country will closely resemble France and Germany.

A "movement" must begin and soon otherwise we will become the living example of "Animal Farm."

[Joe Hadenuf]

I agree.

And just so you know, it was President Bush that appointed Federal Judge David C. Bury, the judge that blocked AZ Proposition 200 from becoming law.

AZ prop 200 was put forth by the citizens of AZ, like CA prop 187, that have screamed, protested and voted for relief from this titanic, government sponsored invasion of millions.

In California, we voted and passed prop 187 overwhelmingly. It would have put a stop to tax paid support of illegal aliens. After we won, the feds working in concert with state government hacks, burned our ballots, and declared our free election illegal.

The results of these government actions can now be seen coast to coast.

[soccer_linux_mozilla]

Where are the Republicans??? The silence is deafening!!!

In case you don't know, Republican favor cheap labor as it helps businesses.

[Joe Hadenuf]

In case you don't know, Republican favor cheap labor as it helps businesses.

As the greedy employers sit in their back offices, counting their profits on the backs of the tax payers.

As the tax payers watch their jails, classrooms, highways, hospitals and social services get completely choked off. While the tax payers are forced by government to pay for this epic greed.

[matchwood]

Thank you for the enlightenment. I never quite could figure out why the large percentage of people voting for those propositions were denied their rights. What do you do?

[Jazzman1]

So they dont want to count the overwhelming costs to all the social services these illegals cost. Nor the amount in UNPAID taxes they get by with NOT PAYING. AND least of all the bulk of their earnings are shipped back over the border to subsidize Juan's inlaws and such. Money gone forever!

[untrained skeptic]

So you think that the illegal immigrant problem in CA is Bush's fault?

CA is a state that actively dissuades it's law enforcement officer from reporting illegal aliens.

The state government keeps passing laws to benefit illegal immigrants.

If you want to combat the problem if illegal immigrants in CA, start by voting against those protecting them in your legislature.

Despite all the bad press that Bush's plan gets it would help address these problems.

After the initial startup, the guest worker program is only available to people outside of the US.

Illegal aliens would be deported.

Bush has increased the size of the border guard. It's still pitifully way to small to do the job on it's own. However, if the state and local law enforcement agencies were directed to report illegal immigrants rather than ignore immigration status, maybe we could make a serious dent in the problem.

Bush is also having the border guard deploy high tech surveillance methods to find illegal immigrants crossing the border. That's something that could provide a real benefit.

By making a good portion of the currently illegal workers legal, that may very well increase tax revenues from those immigrants, but since most are low paid workers, and our tax system doesn't have low wage workers pay income taxes, it's not likely to make a big difference. Switching to a federal sales tax would actually collect taxes from everyone, while still collecting more from the most wealthy.

Bush's plan also requires employees to to make "every reasonable effort to find an American to fill a job before extending job offers to foreign workers".

If that really works, it means that the immigrants are taking jobs not wanted by Americans.

We can either have low paid workers, or we can have those types of businesses that employ them collapse and go to other countries.

We're never going to see a positive direct tax flow from these workers, because our tax system is skewed so that lower income workers pay no income taxes. The benefits will be through growth in our economy, gains in corporate tax revenues from the profits of the companies employing them, and from the benefits of being able to buy inexpensive domestic products.

Lots of people want to criticize Bush's immigration reform plan. However, he's the first President to really attempt immigration reform.

If the implementation of his plan produces anything close to the results he's suggesting, we'll be far better off than we are now.

However, too many people seem to want to complain that the plan isn't exactly what they want, and often seem to make criticism without knowing much about the plan.

Here's some info on his plan for those interested in learning more about it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-1.html