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Paradise Lost: Sweden, Europe Struggle for Economic Survival
CBN News ^ | 12/6/04 | Dale Hurd

Posted on 12/06/2004 8:33:36 AM PST by dukeman

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To: Publius6961
This deaf and blind bureaucrat doesn't want to know what poverty in the U.S. is.

Back in the 1980s, one of the channels (PBS?) did a documentary about poverty in America, called 'How the other half lives ...' or something like that. The Soviet Union decided to show it to their people, with the intention of convincing them how bad things were in the land of the capitalist enemy. Well, it had the opposite effect. The Russians saw how poor Americans had TVs, homes, refrigerators and so on.

21 posted on 12/06/2004 8:54:51 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: dukeman
the welfare state needs people paying taxes, working, behaving in a moral, responsible way.

Preach on!

However, let it be noted that people paying taxes, working, behaving in a moral, responsible way DON'T need the welfare state.

22 posted on 12/06/2004 8:54:59 AM PST by IronJack (R)
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To: dukeman; Grampa Dave
The Heritage Foundation report on economic freedom ranks Sweden very high--12th in the world; somewhat different from what the author says. Here's an excerpt:

"Sweden has high taxes and a large welfare state. The level of unemployment is low, but workers take excessive sick leave; according to the Economist Intelligence Unit, an average of 430,000 employees, or 10 percent of the workforce, are on sick leave at any given time. Despite these drawbacks, as was pointed out in the 2003 Index, the economic landscape of Scandinavia is changing. Economic freedom in Sweden has grown with the implementation of policies that increase opportunity and attract investment through low trade barriers, stable money, open domestic financial markets, an openness to foreign investment, reduced regulation, market-determined wages and prices, and relatively little informal market activity. In addition, Sweden’s history of political stability, strong rule of law, and protection of property rights provides fertile ground for such policies to take root."

23 posted on 12/06/2004 8:56:17 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
I have family in Europe . .

Then you know exactly what I'm talking about. But this is true all over the world. It is simply more surprising to realize it is so pervasive in Europe and Canada. I think that the propaganda is almost to the point of dangerous. I don't understand why we don't have a better public relations system in place. Even Blair spends millions on public relations experts and the like.

24 posted on 12/06/2004 8:57:42 AM PST by mgist
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To: dukeman
its not that bad, but never let get reality in the way of a little country bashing.
25 posted on 12/06/2004 8:58:55 AM PST by wu_trax
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To: Charles Henrickson

I only know 2 kinds of Swedes: socialists and libertarians.

:-)


26 posted on 12/06/2004 9:02:18 AM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Grampa Dave

Run the same chart back 5 years or 7 years, and it's your analysis that falls on its face. The long-term trend for Swedish biz is not positive.


27 posted on 12/06/2004 9:04:35 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: mgist

What is the benefit of "diverse"? Cultural pollution? Why engage in name-calling ("xenophobic")? All I want to do is retain my national culture. That's not unreasonable. If you are intolerant of that, please go back where you came from.


28 posted on 12/06/2004 9:05:44 AM PST by henderson field
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To: dukeman

Hmmm, apparently blondes are stupid.


29 posted on 12/06/2004 9:06:58 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: dukeman; Carry_Okie; forester; sasquatch; B4Ranch; SierraWasp; hedgetrimmer; knews_hound; ...
But it's a similar situation across most of Europe, which continues to fall farther and farther behind the United States.

We must have Kyoto to kill the US economy!

30 posted on 12/06/2004 9:09:38 AM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: mark502inf

"Despite these drawbacks, as was pointed out in the 2003 Index, the economic landscape of Scandinavia is changing. Economic freedom in Sweden has grown with the implementation of policies that increase opportunity and attract investment through low trade barriers, stable money, open domestic financial markets, an openness to foreign investment, reduced regulation, market-determined wages and prices, and relatively little informal market activity. In addition, Sweden’s history of political stability, strong rule of law, and protection of property rights provides fertile ground for such policies to take root."

Below is the link to the two graph of the Swedish ETF, EWD, comparing it to our common market indexes. This graph backs up what you highlighted above.

Below is the link for the two year comparison:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EWD&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=^GSPC,^IXIC,^DJI



31 posted on 12/06/2004 9:09:38 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans Articles = GIM=GAY INFECTED MEDIOTS!)
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To: wu_trax

"Researchers took into account not just income, but other factors considered important to people's satisfaction and well-being.

They included health, freedom, unemployment, family life, climate, political stability and security, gender equality and family and community life."

Nice commie survey. When I start to put "gender equality" on the same footing as freedom, I hope they just shoot me.


32 posted on 12/06/2004 9:10:59 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: wu_trax

That's an intersting and informative not to mention unbiased and accurate list.


~snicker.

Ireland is nice thogh... If you're not Irish and can actually afford to buy stuff there.


33 posted on 12/06/2004 9:11:12 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

Sweden is starting back away from its interference in markets.

5 years ago it was an economic waste land. The past two years show that it is coming around.

Another Euro country, Austria has done similiar things including reducing their tax burden. The results the past two years are outstanding. The Austria etf is EWO.

France and Germany are not on the same trends as Austria and Sweden. They are the true real life pictures of socialism, high taxes, runaway unions and anti capitalism.

Will Sweden continue to grow its way out of what its socialist leaders brought about in 40-50 years? It depends on if they stick to their current behavior and don't revert to their previous tax and spend behavior.


34 posted on 12/06/2004 9:16:46 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans Articles = GIM=GAY INFECTED MEDIOTS!)
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To: Conservomax

you do know that money isn't everything, don't you?


35 posted on 12/06/2004 9:25:09 AM PST by wu_trax
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To: Grampa Dave

I love Swedish culture, so I really hope they pull it off. My snapshot of Swedish business is about 7 years past, having headed up a US department for a large Swedish company through the late 1990's.
An aside: at my R&D facility, we had 150 engineers, equally divided among Americans, Japanese expats, and Swedish expats. We had a saying that "The Japanese do all the work, the Americans do all the complaining, and the Swedes take all the vacation". Good times!


36 posted on 12/06/2004 9:28:14 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: dukeman
Well, the "Swedish Model" still has some attractive attributes:



37 posted on 12/06/2004 9:28:17 AM PST by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!


38 posted on 12/06/2004 9:28:57 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: henderson field
All I want to do is retain my national culture.

Unless you are an American Indian I'm not sure what you would consider our National Culture. We are a nation of immigrants and I'm very proud of that. Everyone has something to offer and I recognize that there are other cultures that I can learn from. I judge people as individuals, fortunately our constitution supports this.

39 posted on 12/06/2004 9:30:42 AM PST by mgist
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To: mondonico

Poor child is evidently suffering from swollen indices...


40 posted on 12/06/2004 9:34:39 AM PST by Billthedrill
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