Posted on 12/05/2004 5:54:00 AM PST by Lukasz
Isn't Kushma closely affiliated with George Soros?
ping!
what happened to my tagline?
Looks like the forces for reform and democracy are getting close to victory. It's been a long long long journey.
Slava Ykraina!
YUP -we thought Yeltsin was a hero - but he traded immunity for democracy - to Putin and Russia is back to sqare one.
Basically, you have to give these out-going strongmen immunity.
They are much more likely to give up and turn over power to a new (hopefully better) government if you do.
If you don't, then they just do everything they can to hold on to power, if only to protect their own skin. That is how life-long dictators and totalitarian regimes are created.
Thanks for the memories. We are sure glad to have you gone. Have fun under house arrest in your sprawling mansion. Don't come back.
Shevardnadze was and it did not help him. Open Society is open and loose - no bonds of the gratitute or loyalty. Everybody is for himself. Members of International Community were shaking hands with Milosevic and next moment they were keeping him in the dunguen as the most evil man after Hitler.
If you want to learn more about Open Society or International Community read about N.I.C.E. in the excellent C.S. Lewis book - That Hideous Strenght. If you want to learn what is the mindset of OS/IC in relation to establishing the EUrabia read The Flying Inn by Chesterton.
I respect your love for the country of your origin. Just remember that putting the Open Society in power will not make Ukraine freer. Ukraine will be as free as Bosnia, Georgia and Serbia is today. And the future will be worse.
Yeltsin democracy meant free market massacre of Russian Parlament, transfer of the national assets to mafia and international speculators, and clinging to power with single digit support. Putin has 60/70% support, was duly elected and thus HE is the democratic leader.
Thanks - more good advice from a Freeper;)
Very good article. Thank you.
We shall see.
Judging by Russian experiences, there must be a reason why "democratic" Yeltsin who massacred the Russian Duma in the name of privatization/looting had single digit support at the end and why Putin enjoys 60/70% support. The Orange team has some of the biggest oligarchs like Iron Julia.
The looting, and EUrabization of Ukraine might be the end of this country. Then the remnants of Ukrainians will be either applying for Russian visas or coming to US. This might be the actual final split between Lvov and Donietsk :(
The Turks will have plenty of fertile land to settle.
You used only part of my quote.
"YUP -we thought Yeltsin was a hero - but he traded immunity for democracy - to Putin and Russia is back to sqare one."
Yeltsin was perceived to be a hero - I remember the euphoria. Turns out Yeltsin was corrupt.
Turns out Putin is reverting to USSR tactics, appointed Governors vs. elected.
Local executive are being appointed from the center in much of the Europe (including Poland) as so is the party system of votineg (another part of Putin's reform).
For Russia the centralisation of government is necessary same way as it was for France when De Gaulle established the Fifth Republic.
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