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The Islamization of Europe?
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| 12/2/04
| David Pryce-Jones
Posted on 12/05/2004 4:06:02 AM PST by ml1954
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To: LoneStarC
"The US still does not recognize the problem. Europe doesn't even recognize that there is a problem."
I think they do know but don't want to wake the people up to it. I think people are slowly coming out of their coma..I hope there is a really good plan.
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posted on
12/05/2004 6:07:13 AM PST
by
Earthdweller
(US descendant of French Protestants)
To: Earthdweller
I think you are correct, look how many times we were hit before 9/11? It was the
second hit on the towers!
The way we treat the southern border of the U.S. makes me shudder thinking about
who is coming here unnoticed...Why do we have a bunch of leaders, and their constituents, who are living in the free world, continue to wear blindfolds?
what do it take to sound the alarm?
Something like this? -
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posted on
12/05/2004 6:36:10 AM PST
by
Issaquahking
( Bush won, needs to start acting like it! He needs to defend America's southern border - NOW!)
To: bilrak; Valin
"...anyone BUT muslims !"
That's right, they're all the same.
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posted on
12/05/2004 6:43:21 AM PST
by
nuconvert
(Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
To: ml1954
Unfortunately, American political leaders are as weak and worthless as European when it comes to the threat posed by Islamic immigration.
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posted on
12/05/2004 6:45:02 AM PST
by
dagnabbit
(Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
To: Issaquahking
I'm curious if this is going to be somewhat of a play out of Europe getting taken over and that England, as in WWII, will become the turning point of the already declared war (on radical islamic fundamentalism) by then
How do you think England will address the problem considering that it has quite a large muslim population, larger IIRC than several other European countries that according to many have surrendered to islam.
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posted on
12/05/2004 7:01:06 AM PST
by
freedom moose
(has de cultivar el que sembres)
To: LoneStarC
This is
our problem, however the Europeans have one too. That the radical islamics were able to get an idiot elected in Spain, created Europe's "
mexican border". Makes a nice hole into Europe's back door to start filling the country with "cells" in the wait. Upon command, they will become the EU's worst nightmare. The media,(FOX exempted) and the presstitues will all wonder why an appeaser like Spain, and the region, would be hit by Islamic fundy's?
Someone needs to remind the civilized world, that there is only one reason for Islamic funda
mentalists to have captives/prisoner's. They are trading stock to get theirs back, or BS the world, while they work on their next step. If they can't do that, then they kill all the prisoner/captives, no need to feed deadwood in the eyes of a terrorist. I don't believe the world has a clue as to how ruthless these third century idiots really are...
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posted on
12/05/2004 7:02:40 AM PST
by
Issaquahking
( Bush won, needs to start acting like it! He needs to defend America's southern border - NOW!)
To: LoneStarC
we still have leaders - including President Bush - who still don't "get it."
In my mind, the jury is still out on Bush. Before the election he was constrained by his political opposition. It's encouraging that Powell is gone and that Condi is taking his place, and that Rummie is staying.
I just finished reading Ben Stein's (and Phil DeMuth's) book 'Can America Survive?' and highly recommend it. In the intro he outlines a scenario of what it would have been like after Pearl Harbor if FDR's political opposition had behaved the way the Left has towards GWB after Sept. 11. Basically, he doubts we would have won WWII. Europe's mainstream is far left of our left. If we have trouble staying united after Sept 11, what would happen in Europe? Bin Laden and his pals have to be asking themselves this question.
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posted on
12/05/2004 7:24:39 AM PST
by
ml1954
To: Goodgirlinred; ApesForEvolution; Happy2BMe
Long but excellent read...ping
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posted on
12/05/2004 7:35:41 AM PST
by
weenie
(A corner is being turned and there is no return from that new world)
To: Issaquahking
Upon command, they will become the EU's worst nightmare.
And Europe may become a favorite target for this reason. They are already heavily infiltrated. The Islamist Fascists already have an infrastructure in place there. The EU's internal open borders policy makes travel easy. At the same time we are harder to get at since 9/11 and the US is still a distant and strange land to many in that part of the world.
They've observed the US is deepley divided after 9/11 (Bin Ladens pre-election tape was practically a DIM/MSM/liberal talking points memo). The European left holds much greater power than our left. The Europeans are much less able to defend themselves than we are. They are practically defenseless. So what might happen to Europe politically if hit by a couple of 9/11's? Bin Laden and associates may be asking themselves this same question and may want to find out the answer.
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posted on
12/05/2004 7:38:32 AM PST
by
ml1954
To: Issaquahking; Fred Nerks; USF; jan in Colorado; freedom moose
I'm curious if this is going to be somewhat of a play out of Europe getting taken over and that England, as in WWII, will become the turning point of the already declared war (on radical islamic fundamentalism) by then. I suggest that the spread of Islam is more like the Black Death (Bubonic Plague) in the mid-1300's than WWII. I don't think it can be fought (except in part) with conventional weapons.
We need to carefully define the enemy before we can develop an effective battle plan.
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posted on
12/05/2004 7:48:20 AM PST
by
weenie
(A corner is being turned and there is no return from that new world)
To: SSG USA
Although it is bad, and I apoligize in advance to any Eurpoean visitors on the board, I think something like this is exactly what needs to happen in Europe. Until there is a major strike in Europe, a lot worse than a train derailmant, they are not going to wake up and start taking terrorism out of the Middle East seriously. There was a joke a week back or so with the Concorde slamming into the Eiffel tower. This, or something of the same magnitude, is exatly what needs to happen.
I'm afraid you are right and it is terrible that innocents must pay the price of that but there are many examples like that through history. I guess in a way, it is like tough love where to wake somebody up, you need to have them experience the worst so you can give them that jolt that's needed. I was thinking that since Europe has experienced Adolph Hitler, Communism and many such horrors in the last century, you think they would knoe better. The bright side is that when the Moslems were on the march in the Middle Ages, they fought them off because they knew what was at stake, perhaps there will be a new awakening there. The scary part is that France is a great power and their quest for atomic weapons, France provides an easy way to get them, just become powerful enough to steer their policy and they won't have to beg, borrow, or steal nukes.
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posted on
12/05/2004 7:59:36 AM PST
by
Nowhere Man
(We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?)
To: A. Pole
It's bizaare, but one of the major motivations of the Left is hatred. The leftist Lord Mayor of London hates Western Civilization and so loves anyone who is also an enemy of Western Civilization. The enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality. The irony is that if the Muslims took over, he'd be on their to-be-beheaded list. I suspect that the Leftists see the Muslims as useful idiot allies in their war against the West but think that the Left will always be in control of the situation.
To: weenie; freedom moose
The islamic fundy's remind me of a medusa; cut one head off but it grows another. It appears to be leaderless at times, only based on hate of western culture. When one of it's islamic jihadist leaders does make a showing, he knows how to work a third century group.
He will say, "If I show myself, they will kill me, so you need to hear me out, as I have to stay ahead of them!" He will play upon their sympathies and keep an eye out for someone to do his dirty work. The closer to be an "end of the roaders" they are, the easier it is to sell them the snake oil of Ameica and her allies, are the islamic problem.
It's going to be difficult hunting down, and killing all these goofs in a timely manner, before others can spring up to replace them, but it is the battle we face.
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posted on
12/05/2004 8:20:11 AM PST
by
Issaquahking
( Bush won, needs to start acting like it! He needs to defend America's southern border - NOW!)
To: weenie; ApesForEvolution; Goodgirlinred; Issaquahking; Fred Nerks; USF; jan in Colorado; ...
Demographics - it's ALL about DEMOGRAPHICS . . Demographics "There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we darent bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially, he said. And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well.
By 2020, 50% of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent. He even drew attention to the birth dearth in the West.
And dont forget, coupled with this there is this collapse of numbers, he said. Western Europeans are not having any babies. The population of Germany at the end of the century is going to be 56% of what it is now. The population of France, 52% of what it is now. The population of Italy is going to be down 7 million people.
![WND Exclusive](/images/header_exclusive.gif)
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETINRadical Islam's 'plan'
to take over America Arab-American author outlines secret
20-year strategy to undermine country
Posted: August 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:
- Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961).
- Use no birth control whatsoever every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.
- Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years since one can't legally marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.
* * *
![http://www.anti-cair-net.org/press_013_03](http://www.anti-cair-net.org/OMAR_M_AHMAD.jpg)
Omar Ahmad (Click Photo)
Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
President and CEO of Silicon Expert Technologies.
A Palestinian who grew up in a refugee camp in Jordan.
"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ......
Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-Omar Ahmad
* * *
![http://www.anti-cair-net.org/press_021_03](http://www.anti-cair-net.org/Hooper.jpg)
Ibrahim Hooper
CAIR Spokesperson
(Click Photo)
"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promotethat. I'm going to do it through education.""CAIR does not support these groups publicly." (when asked about CAIR's record of supporting Hamas, Hezbullah and other official terrorist groups)
-Ibrahim Hooper
* * *
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posted on
12/05/2004 8:23:49 AM PST
by
Happy2BMe
(It's not quite time to rest - John Kerry is still out there (and so is Hillary))
To: SSG USA
Nothing will "snap" Europe out of its complacency, I believe. If blowing up train stations brings about a electoral surrender, blowing up the Eiffel tower would bring a Muslim Coup d'Paris.
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posted on
12/05/2004 8:25:47 AM PST
by
Mamzelle
To: Issaquahking
The islamic fundy's remind me of a medusa; cut one head off but it grows another. It appears to be leaderless at times...That is because the leader is hidden...Islam is Satanic (it is a big stretch of mind to consider that we actually might be at war with something not human...it uses human soldiers, but it is the category of "other").
Your descriptions paint a pretty clear picture. Of course, I might be wrong.
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posted on
12/05/2004 8:38:37 AM PST
by
weenie
(A corner is being turned and there is no return from that new world)
To: Issaquahking
The way we treat the southern border of the U.S. makes me shudder thinking about who is coming here unnoticed...
Don't think we are just sitting by an letting people waltz in like we used to. The heat has been turned up but not fast enough.
I was on the Texas/Mexico border recently. One great concern is that the IslamoNazis and the Hispanic gangs like the Mexican Mafia will hook up. LEO's and the Feds. are watching this very closely. They are very concerned that Mexican gangs will be provided some MANPADS and use them. The Mexican gangs will do ANYTHING for money. Without a second thought.
To: Mamzelle; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass
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posted on
12/05/2004 9:19:59 AM PST
by
devolve
(http://00access.tripod.com/GreenGrass.html http://00access.tripod.com/CountryRoads.html)
To: Happy2BMe
To: Happy2BMe
Death To all Islamofascist terrorists ~ Bump!
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posted on
12/05/2004 9:50:11 AM PST
by
blackie
(Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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