Posted on 12/04/2004 6:11:50 PM PST by quidnunc
armed society is a more polite society eh...
Geee, didn't we tell them that ahead of tiem? Listening to the 'bad' Americans could have saved a few lives.
Go figure.
I've got a .357 waiting for any intruder...God bless 'em.
That is unbelievable, maybe the British should leave their front doors open at night, and place all money and valuable jewelry, etc. in the hallway before going to bed.
That's not just an unqualified right to self defense, that's an unqualified right to self defense with a firearm -- which is a great equalizer for a woman or a middle-aged, out-of-shape guy.
As the more sane in England begin to reassert the right of self-defense, do you think they might come to grips with the fact that, for many (women, elderly, handicapped), the ONLY viable means of reliable self-defense is a firearm? Or will their pride get in the way?
The British common law lies behind many of the freedoms we take for granted in the United States. The phrase "reasonable force" has always been a part of common law, and until the Labour Party came into power after the Second World War it was never applied in a way that contradicted the ancient principle that "a man's home is his castle." It's not the wording of the law that's at fault; it's the perverseness and moral stupidity of the elite classes, including judges.
It won't do much good to change the wording until you get the people who rule the country to understand that their present attitudes are neither just nor fair nor conducive to the prevention of crime and violence.
I hope this campaign succeeds, or there won't "always be an England" much longer.
</limousine lib'ral>
That is unbelievable,maybe the British should leave their front doors open at night,and place all money and valuable jewelry,etc in the hallway before going to bed.
Some of our laws when it comes to personal or home defense are not to far off from this.
It started even earlier than that.
The restrictions on weapons ownership and the use of force started after WW I because the elites became concerned that the hoi polloi might stage a revolution and overthrow them a la Russia.
by Rajeev Syal
(Filed: 05/12/2004)
Police investigating the murder of John Monckton, the City financier who was stabbed to death at his home last week, have disclosed that one of his attackers gained access by posing as a postman.
At least one intruder wore a Royal Mail uniform, according to witnesses. Detectives believe that the uniform may have been used to trick Mr Monckton into opening the door to his house in Chelsea, west London, on Monday evening.
John Monckton
Mr Monckton, 49, was fatally wounded and his wife Homeyra, 45, very seriously injured in the attack, which took place at Upper Cheyne Row, in one of London's most affluent areas.
Isabel Monckton, the couple's nine-year-old daughter, found her parents lying injured after the two attackers had fled, and she called the emergency services.
Yesterday police initially said that both of the attackers had gained entry to the house dressed as postmen, and had then "ferociously attacked Mr Monckton and his wife".
Later, however, a police spokesman said that only one of the youths was dressed in a postal uniform. It is thought that Mr Monckton went to answer a knock at his front door and opened it to find a "postman". He then struggled to close it again after one or both of the attackers attempted to force their way inside.
The Metropolitan Police has now issued a fresh appeal for information from the public. "Officers are appealing for witnesses, for anyone who can recall seeing two males, one dressed as a postman, in the area at approximately 7.30pm on Monday, November 29," a spokesman said.
Police have gathered DNA evidence from a trail of blood thought to be that of one of the intruders, who might have been wounded in the struggle with Mr Monckton, said the spokesman.
"It is believed that one suspect may have sustained an injury during the attack, as a trail of blood has been found leading from the house."
Detectives said that the youths made their way to the Kings Road, Chelsea's busy main shopping thoroughfare, after the stabbing. More information emerged last night, when they said that one "important" witness had since come forward.
An e-fit image of one of the suspects is now expected to be released in the next 48 hours. One of the attackers was black, and the other is described as being "light-skinned" but of an unknown ethnic background. Both were described by officers as youths between 5ft 3in and 5ft 6in tall.
House-to-house inquiries continued in Chelsea yesterday and officers have set up a mobile police station in the area.
Detectives are still waiting to interview Mrs Monckton, who is recovering in hospital. Mrs Monckton's older daughter, Sabrina, 12, is staying with relations.
Mr Monckton, the managing director of Legal and General's highly successful fixed income bond division, was said by friends to be a modest and intensely private family man. He had deep Christian convictions and devoted much of his spare time to Catholic charities.
Mr Monckton was a cousin of Rosa Monckton, the wife of Dominic Lawson, the editor of The Sunday Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/05/nmonc05.xml
No warning.
BANG.
Next?
Pit Bulls are also a very effective home defense. They get along great with the kids, virtually take over "the palace" when the Alpha Male leaves town, but they do come with a down side. They like to eat, they lick a lot and their tails are like steel rods.
Where is "Glock Rocks"?
So does S & W and Ithaca.
Not in my house.
LVM
A burgler better hope I get to my pistol before the wife gets to her machete.I wonder if hacking an intruder apart with a large razor sharp blade is considered reasonable force.
A burgler better hope I get to my pistol before the wife gets to her machete.I wonder if hacking an intruder apart with a large razor sharp blade is considered reasonable force.
The other down side to pit bulls is that they are being outlawed in a lot of places. There are few towns in our area of the state where they can be kept legally.
We're allowed to use deadly force in Texas if the homeowner is in fear of violence.
Translation. If you shoot someone who breaks into your house, fire a shot into the ceiling to tell the police you fired a warning shot.
As long as you hack him apart in the house and not outside. Of course you could, bring the various parts back inside...
"for many (women, elderly, handicapped), the ONLY viable means of reliable self-defense is a firearm?"
God made man, but Sam Colt made them equal.
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