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Blacks offer mixed reaction to James' assertions
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/local/10327111.htm ^

Posted on 12/03/2004 7:08:05 AM PST by Stew Padasso

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To: wideawake
Local black activist John Minter said James' attack on the black community's morals bothered him the most. "If you look at it from a moral standpoint, take a middle-class woman who gets pregnant and has an abortion. Is she any more moral than a 13-year-old who gets pregnant and has a baby?" he said.

I'm not sure it's "unanswerable". Maybe, well probably:)....you see more clearly than I do on this. He seems to be saying "B" is wrong too. That doesn't make "A" less wrong, though. Maybe that makes it a rather pointless statement, & maybe that's what you're pointing out.

However, the devil is here: It's just a question if you can pay to get yourself out of it."

Maybe I'm simple-minded, but when our gubmint rewards immorality, we the peeples gets more of it.

21 posted on 12/03/2004 7:45:25 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: rave123
most blacks kids are not adopted

Newborns are. But very few black children are put up for adoption when they are born.

Most black children up for adoption are kids who have been taken away from an abusive parent at an older age or have special needs or both.

There is also a real resistance among the black community to allowing a newborn child to be adopted by whites.

22 posted on 12/03/2004 7:46:34 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
AND The fathers of these children never receive the opprobrium and punishment they deserve

is EXACTLY THE PROBLEM!
Have you seen all the single moms pushing strollers while herding a passle of unruly kids? They're all over....and DOING IT BY THEMSELVES.

That is, until the end of the month when 'men' mysteriously appear....it is observable in almost any city, I'd wager.

23 posted on 12/03/2004 7:52:48 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: eccentric

Not true, based on Kaiser family poll, 61% of the people have a problem of major concern adopting these infants.
And at 1 year old an african american infant is considered special needs whereas a white child is 8 before he's considered special needs. I would like to believe they are adopted also but they are not adopted on the same level as white children. Good news, more AA single/ middle class black females are adopting these kids. I'm not blaming anyone because it's not the responsibility of anyone to adopt them I'm just wishing it had a better story.
Quote from an article
"And while a recent national study by the Child Welfare League shows there are more than 2,000 Georgia couples waiting to adopt a child - the third highest number in the country - Mr. Burson says these are people who want a healthy white infant, what he calls an "adoption fantasy."
“Suffer the children” AJC
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24 posted on 12/03/2004 8:10:49 AM PST by rave123
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To: wideawake

Actually as I stated in the previous post a special needs child as an AA is only 1 year old whereas a white special needs child is 8 years old. So quite a difference. Yes there is a resistance in the black community but who the blank cares, if they are not going to raise them then let someone else do it.


25 posted on 12/03/2004 8:13:31 AM PST by rave123
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To: Jack Black
"they are much more supportive of a pregnant 14 year old keeping her baby "

That child represents an income check, if it didn't it would be aborted at government expense.

My girlfriend and I were waiting on line at a WalMart checkout. A black lady in the lane next to us refused to buy her teen aged daughter something, told her to get her own babies and get her own welfare check. True story.

26 posted on 12/03/2004 8:14:43 AM PST by SCALEMAN (Super Cards Fan)
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To: 1john2 3and4

So how do you get the fathers to pay? Take them out of jail and try and teach them to read and write so someone will hire them? And then give them a vascotemy?


27 posted on 12/03/2004 8:19:25 AM PST by rave123
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To: rave123
And then give them a vasectomy?

offer to pay them to have a vasectomy.

28 posted on 12/03/2004 8:39:23 AM PST by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: Stew Padasso
Actually Bill James should jump on this comment with BOTH FEET..
What a beautiful opportunity to display the idiocy of this mindset..
Just repeat, over and over what she said.. and challenge ANY observer to see the flaws in her logic..

Probably by "mocking" the charge.. A proper "bitch slap" and the community just might come to.. No guarantees though the "race pimp" drug is pretty deep. Black churchs I think would be a good place to start. Look them in the eye directly challenging their logic on this.. Because not all black churchs are asleep.. or blacks in general.. look at Bill Cosby even.. Who has been a die hard lefty..

Start the questioning with the sound bite, "Butterfly McQueen answers are just not good enough these days.., Blacks are responsible for their actions TOO"..

29 posted on 12/03/2004 8:53:08 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: rave123
The sperm donors who go around indiscriminately impregnating the women are not in jail, for one thing.

A good question, though. How to make men accountable. I've got ideas, some may not be 'doable', but it's somewhat satisfying to think about.
We have enough trouble protecting our open borders in a time of war!

Wait! How 'bout requiring the father to toe the line - say; "I'm the father" before the mom gets the welfare check.
Q: Are you working, sir?
A: No
Q: Any more children (to different mothers)? (or, "weren't you here already with so-and-so?")
A: Yes
Well, we got a nice spot down near the Rio Grande we want you to keep an eye on for us. Comes with a little fenced-in shack, all nice & cozy. Spot us some border-crossers (say, your "quota" is "x amount"), and we'll see about getting you back to the mom & kiddies after awhile.

30 posted on 12/03/2004 8:57:36 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: Stew Padasso

Sometimes a swift kick in the a$$ is the best way to get folks moving.


31 posted on 12/03/2004 9:00:12 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 1john2 3and4

Sounds like a good idea and if more were made to do this it would not only help with pregnancy problems but with crime and drugs as well unless they started taking bribes at the border.
But many of them are in jail. At one point or another many of these guys because of their lifestyle that idolizes having many kids by many woman, (its a sign of manhood in low income black community)go to jail. Either for drug dealing, stealing, child support or assault. Many of the others have the Jessie Jackson, athlete mentality; have kids outside of marriage but pay some child support. It's then the mothers stupidity with the juggling of the bills and so forth that gets her in trouble or the amount of child support is not enouch to make ends meet.


32 posted on 12/03/2004 9:09:21 AM PST by rave123
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To: wideawake
I think the point is: while maybe 30% of whites choose abortion to solve their problem caused by 'loose' morals, close to 80% of inner-city blacks have done the same or are un-wed mothers. (Fine print disclaimer: percentages are un-educated guesses not derived from any statistics known....)

The way I read it, both James and Cosby said basically the same thing, about the same crisis, but since Cosby is black he can get away with it...Barely....

33 posted on 12/03/2004 9:46:31 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: Stew Padasso
And a few said they agreed with the issues James raised -- even the way he raised them -- and called for more frank talk.

Thank you, Jesus!

34 posted on 12/03/2004 9:50:06 AM PST by madprof98
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To: Alia

If you're referring to "leaders" like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson, my advice would be to keep them away!!!!!

Make them watch Bill Cosby including his recent speeches!!!!


35 posted on 12/03/2004 9:53:34 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: Stew Padasso

Well, Jesse Jackson has a "LOVE CHILD" why can't everyone else? Jesse is suppose to be the person all the black kids look up to.


36 posted on 12/03/2004 9:59:38 AM PST by kempo
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To: Stew Padasso

The last thing in the world people of this caliber want to hear is -- the truth.


37 posted on 12/03/2004 10:04:06 AM PST by Don Simmons (Annoy a liberal: Work hard; Prosper; Be Happy.)
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To: kempo

And 'ya know I think the only good thing I can say about him is that he actually supports that child. (while the reason for the support is extremely questionable...)


38 posted on 12/03/2004 10:04:22 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: logic

Didn't he have his corporation support the child? not him directly.


39 posted on 12/03/2004 11:44:42 AM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: logic

No-No! Refer to Jackson and Sharpton as Leaders (with a big "L")? No waaay. Those are clamoring fools followed by other clamoring fools. I mean real leaders. Real leadership. Grown-ups. And yes, Bill Cosby is a Grown Up! :)


40 posted on 12/03/2004 12:00:16 PM PST by Alia
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