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A Sadness Set In (Commentary on Iris Chang, CSU Hayward)
The Pioneer (CSU Hayward) ^ | Nov. 18, 2004 | John Harris, Jr.

Posted on 12/02/2004 10:46:16 AM PST by SteveH

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Iris Chang RIP
1 posted on 12/02/2004 10:46:16 AM PST by SteveH
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CA: Author/journalist found dead of gunshot wound in Los Gatos (Iris Chang/The Rape of Nanking)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1276983/posts

Iris Chang Suicide? Not So Fast..Officials Should be More Responsible (race card thrown)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1280402/posts

Noted Author Iris Chang Dies
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1292904/posts


2 posted on 12/02/2004 10:53:11 AM PST by PAR35
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To: SteveH

I own her book. I found it remarkable, turning a clinical eye on an episode of WW II that has conveniently been swept under the rug. Contrast it with the item posted yesterday on FR that the Polish government was opening a formal investigation into the Katyn forrest massacre. FWIW, it's possible that her uderlying depresion, which had to have existed for a long while, was "stressed" by the research she did for the book. Wading through all the pics, and the archives, and the reports, it had to increase whatever pain she was feeling. I have no training in mental illness, but I have read that many young mothers who are suicidal will often kill their children before themselves. Sounds like she tried to keep herself away from her infant, fortunately.


3 posted on 12/02/2004 10:58:48 AM PST by ken5050
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I had the same thought. It was very difficult research and probably hard to do. Her parents generation grew up not wanting to talk about it, alluding to it vaguely. I'm sure she had to dig to find what she did. And I think that would be difficult for the hardiest of us.


4 posted on 12/02/2004 11:02:17 AM PST by twigs
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In the late 60's while travelling in Europe, I read one of those interminable WW II autobiographies by some Brit Gen so-and-so. Seems like every Brit general office wrote his memoires, and 99% of them were awful. This one was also..he was a QM staffer...but the last part of the book described the logistics problems of the Brit unit that liberated one of the camps in Poland. The cold dry stats made it seem even more horrifying..


5 posted on 12/02/2004 11:08:07 AM PST by ken5050
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Some days after her death (it must have been the Nov. 20/21 weekend) C-SPAN rebroadcast an interview of Iris Chang by Brian Lamb, originally broadcast on 11/17/1997. It was an excellent interview but hard to watch knowing she was dead so young and unnecessarily. She said that 300,000 Chinese had died in a 6-8 week period in Nanking and that 19 million Chinese perished in the war, but that the Japanese people are still "in denial."


6 posted on 12/02/2004 11:15:20 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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If Mr. Harris read Iris Chang's book, The Rape of Nanking, then perhaps he would understand her profound sadness.


7 posted on 12/02/2004 11:45:55 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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Chang's book is banned in Japan.


8 posted on 12/02/2004 11:46:29 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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A book can be banned in Japan?. I didn't know that? Under what laws? I'd appreciate any info?


9 posted on 12/02/2004 12:11:18 PM PST by ken5050
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Just go to google.

Type in.....Rape of Nanking banned in Japan........lots of info there.

10 posted on 12/02/2004 12:15:13 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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Amen. When her book first came out, I thought a great deal about what phenomenal fortitude she had to *write* this book. How many "Asian" Americans in the SF Bay Area would shun her, if not only deride her.. of how many of her ancestral cultural taboos she had taken on to write this book. I was saddened by news of her suicide. I wondered if, perhaps, her book hadn't written her; done her in. May she rest in peace. May her loved ones be comforted.


11 posted on 12/02/2004 2:21:21 PM PST by Alia
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A touching and thoughful commentary. Thanks for posting it.


12 posted on 12/03/2004 5:56:50 AM PST by truthkeeper (Yeah, I have a 1998 signup date. So?)
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The book is not banned in Japan. It has not been published in Japan due to a controversy between Ms Chang and the publisher before her death. Her book was to be published along side another book which questioned the accuracy of her book. She did not agree to those terms.

Also, the "Nanking Massacre" has been discussed and researched thoroughly in Japan, despite what has been alleged by many on this board. Broadly speaking the scholarship in Japan concerning the Nanking incident can be broken up into three groups: One group alleges that a massacre did not occur at all. This group concludes that all the people killed in Nanking at the time were Chinese soldiers or Chinese soldiers who disguised themselves as civilians and who were later killed by the Japanese military. The second group acknowledges that a massacre took place but the number of innocent Chinese civilians killed ranged in the neighborhood of 10,000 - 20,000 innocent civilians killed. The third group of scholarship alleges that the massacred victims was much greater and in the neighborhood of two hundred thousand civilians. There have been over a hundred books in Japanese published in Japan about the Nanking Incident.

An excellent review of this scholarship can be found in a reseach paper done by the Australian scholar, David Askew.
You will discover the most advanced and meticulous research on this subject has been done in Japan.

By the way, I have read Iris Chang's book and I was deeply moved. I am also currently reading "Chinese in America" one of her other books. She is a gifted writer and certainly knows how to tell a story. I have also done a little research on her and I am very much aware that she is/was a very fervent activist. Her frequently mentioned number of 360,000 civilians massacred in Nanking is directly in line with the official Chinese government's account of the massacre.


13 posted on 12/03/2004 8:33:14 AM PST by daviscupper
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Thanks ever so much for the information. It didn't sound right when someone said the book was banned, which is why I questioned it?

It is true, sadly, that much of contemporary Japan is in near total denial about the events of WW II, even though Japanese scholarship may be focusing on it.

FYI.. Iris Chang was interviewed on C-span's "Booknotes" after the book came out. It was a marvelous program. I believed it's archived on the website, and if so, I recommend that you view it. Regards..

14 posted on 12/03/2004 11:09:49 AM PST by ken5050
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To: OldFriend

FYI..see #13..best..


15 posted on 12/03/2004 11:10:27 AM PST by ken5050
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To: daviscupper
So the book wasn't banned. HOWEVER, it could only be published with a rebuttal which naturally the author refused.

Kind of like the Ramboulette agreement forced on the Serbs.......knowing full well it could never be accepted.

Your comment about the banning is rather disengenuous, IMHO.

16 posted on 12/03/2004 11:23:33 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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You are welcome. Thanks for the information re the book notes interview. I believe that was the interview with Mr. Lamb. Yes, it was excellent.

Incidentally, I think I have read everything about her regarding the reasons for her suicide, but everything I read is speculation. Have you read anything definitive as to her reasons other than she was depressed five months ago and had to be hospitalized? Also, several of her close friends appear to suggest that she felt so strongly about the injustices that others suffered that she suffered also and this may have contributed to her demise.

Personally, none of these explanations seem plausible to me. She appeared to be such a strong, determined person, young and energetic, and fiercely driven to achieve her goals. I just find the idea that she would take her own life very strange. She had so much to live for: career, goals, husband and a two year old son. Just puzzling.


17 posted on 12/03/2004 11:49:52 AM PST by daviscupper
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It's very puzzling..I haven't seen anything further since the initial news reports. I recall that immeditely after, there was some speculation that it couldn't be suicide..ergo, there had to be something sinister..

It's hard to even speculate long distance, with a paucity of information..It will be interesting to see the final coroner's report when released. They should be able to deduce a lot by tracing the weapon..

18 posted on 12/03/2004 11:55:23 AM PST by ken5050
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Chang's book is banned in Japan.

Amazon Japan has it available, in Japanese:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4396610904/ref=pd_bxgy_text_2/249-2439696-0487565

19 posted on 12/03/2004 12:02:49 PM PST by untenured
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Glad to know things have changed in Japan. Chang was under attack for her book right from the start.

This as opposed to Germany who prosecutes any who would deny the holocaust.

The last I had heard about the book was about ten years ago.

20 posted on 12/03/2004 12:08:02 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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