Islam Post 9/11: The future of Islam

News8 Austin ^ | December 2, 2004 | Jiting Hingorani

[cweese]

Well folks, this is the last of a whitewashed 4-part series on Muslims in Austin. What a lovely cult they are!

[cweese]

I particularly enjoyed this little gem :

Organizations like the Islamic Society of North America are protecting the image...they are the first to publically denounce any and every act of terrorism.

Never heard of 'em. Has anyone else here?

[2banana]

"Five to 10 years down the road, we see Islam as becoming a mainstream religion. Just as today, we see America being called a Judeo-Christian nation, you'll see that being redefined as a Judeo-Christian-Islamic nation. You'll see more people becoming receptive of Muslims. You'll see more intermarriages between Muslims and other faiths,” Sadiq said.

Notice how it never goes the other way...

[SMARTY]

Too little too late??? Maybe the damage is done. Maybe they (whoever they are, or will be) have waited to long to make themselves heard.

[asp1]

Thank you! I thought I must be living under a rock because I have never heard of any muslim organization that outright condemn terrorist acts. I have heard them distance themselves from terrorist incidents, but never unequivocally denounce them.

[muawiyah]

Referring to Islam in the singular as a "cult" is inappropriate. This site provides a fairly decent "brief" on the major divisions between and among the different Islamic "schools" and "movements"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-alawi.htm

The major divisions are much more serious than those between Protestants and Catholics, and certainly far more disruptive than those between the different kinds of Catholics.

BTW, I read through all of this material last evening and noticed that the writers did not follow the usual Moslem practice of both describing and denouncing those in the other groups. I would suspect the writers are Christians, Jews or Buddhists.

[cweese]

Yup. And I guess the muzzies aren't aware that the founders of the United States weren't thinking of integrating Islamic values into our nation's culture.

[cweese]

Perhaps because if they DO condemn these acts in public, they know what their fate is - fatwa, and eventual death to them and their families.

[cweese]

Good point. I'd suspect Buddhist as the author's name is Jiting Hingorani.

[muawiyah]

Actually, the Founding Fathers were well aware of Islam, and were very interested in developing good relations with the Ottomans.

The Turks, in fact, were among the very first nations to recognize our independence.

I'm surprised you've never noticed the very many Protestant churches who have an ecclesiastical structure essentially the same as your friendly neighborhood mosque. You don't suppose that happened in a vacuum do you?

I don't claim to be an expert in the deal, but during the 1400s and 1500s extensive trade relations developed between Europeans and the Middle East. Both goods and ideas were exchanged. Some territorial boundaries were adjusted, e.g. Spain became wholly Christian while the Balkans fell to the Moslems. The Protestant Reformation arose at the hands of those with the most extensive contacts with the East. The connection is inescapable.

[asp1]

And by not condemning them what is the fate for all of us? There have been times in Christianity when good people have had to take a stand against evil. Christians and Jews we both had to have people of faith and courage. Is there no one in the muslim community who is willing to take a stand against this outrage? Obviously not! Their silence therefore makes them complicit in the terrorist activities.

[Salman]

Or it could be that this guy is telling the truth, but the Islamic Society of North America doesn't amount to anything.

[jan in Colorado]

I don't recall America asking for "Islamic values"

[SlayerOfBunnies]

...and if non-Muslims want to see all this hate and all this fear go away, then they have to be more willing to learn about the Muslim community,” Muslim student Annia Raja said.

erm no. In fact, f*** off. Islam = terrorism and loathing of all things non-islamic. I see no need to "learn about the Muslim community".

[Savage Beast]

"Our initial reaction is usually, not again.”

That's everybody else's initial reaction too.

"I hope it's not a Muslim because it just gives a wrong image..."

No, Zafar. Your problem is that it gives an accurate image.

"...and...the image is getting tarnished.”

The "tarnishing of the image", Zafar, is the awakening of the world to reality--something that you would be wise to awaken to.

"I'm always at the edge."

You're at the edge!?!! How do you think the sane people of the world feel with a bunch of murderous lunatics running around loose, blowing things up, and determined to establish a world-wide theocracy with the shariah as international law?

I would advise you to change religions, Zafar, but, if you do, your fellow Muslims will murder you.

[Savage Beast]

"The comedian, or the jester, back in the medieval times, is the only one who can really, truthfully, speak and make comments about the king where everyone else is resigned to another role for fear of losing their life."

Uh... Don't really, truthfully speak and make comments about Islam, Preacher Moss. Remember that part about losing your life.

[cweese]

I'd sure like to see Preacher Moss and his merry band of jesters go into, say, Mosul, and perform there.

[USF]

I don't recall America asking for "Islamic values"

No, I must have missed that meeting. I do not recall asking to be attacked by terrorists either.

[Old Student]

"And I guess the muzzies aren't aware that the founders of the United States weren't thinking of integrating Islamic values into our nation's culture."

Wrong. Guess again!

"Such is my veneration for every religion that reveals the attributes of the Deity, or a future state of rewards and punishments, that I had rather see the opinions of Confucius or Mohammed inculcated upon our youth than see them grow up wholly devoid of a system of religious principles. But the religion I mean to recommend in this place is the religion of JESUS CHRIST." 1786

Dr. Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration, and delegate at the Constitutional Convention.

source: http://www.schoolchoices.org/roo/rush.htm

Whether he was right to do so is another question, of course. The Wahabbi sect of Islam wasn't founded until 1796, IIRC.

[cweese]

Thanks for the knowledge. I guess I spoke too soon!