Atheists sue to stop Christian mentoring

WorldNetDaily ^ | 11/27/04 | WorldNetDaily

[risk]

Notice how none of the signatory agnostics or Deists minded the reference to the standard Gregorian calendar.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Article 52 [Religion]

(1) Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of conscience, that is, the right to profess or not to profess any religion, and to conduct religious worship or atheistic propaganda. Incitement of hostility or hatred on religious grounds is prohibited.
(2) In the USSR, the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church.

And Liberals wonder why we hate their ideals so much !

[risk]

So Javelina, what is behind the mad rush to revise history and Christianize our Constitution? I think I know the answer, and I'm sympathetic to the proponents, if wary of them as well. I'd like to hear your views. You might enjoy http://ismellarat.com/ by the way. Patrick Henry refused to attend the Constitutional Convention because he knew Christianity would be excluded.

[crazyhorse691]

secure the Blessings ourselves and Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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The preamble is not exactly a long discourse weaving together many viewpoints. I am attacking a lawyers statement with an exercise in lawyering of my own. It is nitpicking on my part because it is meant to be.

[wagglebee]

In all fairness, "In the year of our Lord" was generally used on all formal documents at the time. It goes back to the early Christian resistance to the Roman Empire where everything was dated from the founding of Rome. The Constitution is primarly a document laying out the framework for our government, the Declaration of Independence has far more referrences to God.

Here is how I see it:

Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Congress has NEVER tried to establish an official religion. However, what we see now are many attempts by the left to make Congress "prohibit the free exercise" of religion. And it is this second phrase which has been the most ignored. As I said, the phrase "separation of church and state" exists NOWHERE in our Constitution (though the Soviets did have it).

Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The Constitution is the framework for the FEDERAL government and Congress is a FEDERAL body. Congress is banned from establishing a state religion; however, any state clearly can unless the individual state's constitution prohibits it. Nearly all of the cases we see in court are against state or local governments, it should never even be a federal issue.

[MEpajamaMONSTER]

hey mark wheres that on the map

[risk]

Compare the Soviet constitution to the Iranian Islamic Republic's:

Article 2 [Foundational Principles]
The Islamic Republic is a system based on belief in:
1) the One God (as stated in the phrase "There is no god except Allah"), His exclusive sovereignty and right to legislate, and the necessity of submission to His commands; 2) Divine revelation and its fundamental role in setting forth the laws;
3) the return to God in the Hereafter, and the constructive role of this belief in the course of man's ascent towards God;
4) the justice of God in creation and legislation;
5) continuous leadership and perpetual guidance, and its fundamental role in ensuring the uninterrupted process of the revolution of Islam; 6) the exalted dignity and value of man, and his freedom coupled with responsibility before God; in which equity, justice, political, economic, social, and cultural independence, and national solidarity are secured by recourse to: a) continuous leadership of the holy persons, possessing necessary qualifications, exercised on the basis of the Koran and the Sunnah, upon all of whom be peace;
b) sciences and arts and the most advanced results of human experience, together with the effort to advance them further;
c) negation of all forms of oppression, both the infliction of and the submission to it, and of dominance, both its imposition and its acceptance.

We could change some of the words around, and we'd have a Christian Constitution. That would really help, don't you think?

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Exclusionary? Hmmm....Congress shall make no law respecting the establishing of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof is hardly exclusionary. Congress can make no law establishing or excluding a religion, and there can be no religious test for office. How that gets defined as a banishment of all things associated with God is beyond me. Precisely what do these people think prohibiting the free exercise means? Our courts routinely prohibit the free exercise and expression of religion.

[wagglebee]

See #46

[bd476]

Ping.

[risk]

Most state constitutions, including Alabama's where the infamous Roy Moore tried to assert federal and state law was founded on the Bible, have their own establishment prohibitions. Many states, including Alabama, do acknowledge God in a non-sectarian manner without reference to a particular creed. It looks like the Founding Fathers of both the state and federal governments wanted us to keep our religion personal and conduct law in terms of rational discourse rather than superstition and dogma.

[EdReform]

Join the fight against the Freedom From Religion Foundation, the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

Thomas More Law Center - http://www.thomasmore.org

Alliance Defense Fund - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Homosexual mentoring no problem. Christian mentoring bad.

Exactly. Big Brother, Big Sisters must not exclude homosexuals. That's discrimination don't you know. We wouldn't want to deprive any sexual minority from their "right" to "mentor" our children. I mean, it's not like they are Christians or anything.

[TheDon]

Atheists are so tolerant of the beliefs of others.

[risk]

"You don't have to be a saint to be a mentor." Arghhhh.

[EdReform]

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, October 11, 1798

[verifythentrust]

Halting the Post Office from issuing religious cancellations"

What is a religious cancellation? anyone?

[inquest]

Patrick Henry refused to attend the Constitutional Convention because he knew Christianity would be excluded.

There is nothing in the site you liked to that supports that contention.