Posted on 11/27/2004 7:24:21 AM PST by doc654
That sounds familiar.
Neither American Republicans nor Democrats want the masses to actually have a say in a new direction for government.
Well, I still got lost about the second paragraph, but I understand a bit more. Maybe I'll come back and try again later.
What???? No factory on earth is worth $2.1 billion -- much less a Ukrainian one!!!!!! Can this be real?
When the gains that need to be made, are in the foundations for liberty and prosperity of people, upon whom rest the propositions for taking investment risks.
That "We live in a democracy." and "Look at what capitalism achieves." are easily cited, leaves out of the message, what actually works.
We do not live in a democracy; our system of government is based on democratic-republican processes of authorizing government's and government agents' powers, in addition to the general common law, both of which, authority for government and the justice system, are subject to, versus lording over, the people, who are the enforcers.
Furthermore, we do not live in a "capitalist society;" we find that capitalism, in order to work well, requires a rule book that guides our agreements.
In all this, we have found that, at every step wherein government and /or the courts have any involvement, we must limit both from further intrusion.
The point is, there is nothing actually simple about it, other than, the sovereignty of the people and the need for limiting government, while engaging specific government and specific justice power in order to ensure that basic agreements between two people are both enforceable and enforced, and the kind of agreements as well as the conduct of the parties involved, is in a rule book among the volumes that make up the rule of law.
There cannot be a binding agreement without the words of the agreement being bound to their original intent.
In my humble opinion, these observations of what works, has escaped "the literature" at Harvard and other business schools in the West, as well as the last decade's rush to greed in the so-called "former Soviet Union" and Red China.
You can read a lot about all the financial advisors, but who has gone around "over there," helping people to both realize and setup and enforce, the basic common law upon which commerce and growing economies and capitalism depend?
Le Sabot Post-Moderne is quite an exciting site. Thank you for the connection, Doc.
Ping !
Contrary to the condemnations issued by the team of professional politicians and diplomats deployed by the OSCE mainly from NATO and EU states, the BHHRG observers did not see evidence of government-organized fraud nor of suppression of opposition media. Improbably high votes for Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovich, have been reported from south-eastern Ukraine but less attention has been given to the 90% pro-Yushchenko results declared in western Ukraine.Yugoslavia reloaded.Whatever may have been the case in south-eastern Ukraine, it was clear to this Group’s observers in central Ukraine and western Ukraine that the opposition exercised near complete control. The broadcast media showed bias towards Mr. Yushchenko in these areas, particularly in western Ukraine where Mr Yanukovich was invisible – not even being shown voting on polling day. It is naïve to think only the government had the facilities to exercise improper influence over the polls. From what BHHRG observed, the opposition exercised disproportionate control over the electoral process in many places, giving rise to concerns that the opposition – not only the authorities – may have committed violations and may have even falsified the vote in opposition-controlled areas. So-called “administrative resources” in places visited by BHHRG appeared to be in the hands of the opposition, not the government, and this may have frightened voters. After all since Sunday, police and security personnel in some western towns have declared their loyalty to “president” Yushchenko.
The open bias of Western governments and their nominated observers in the OSCE delegation, some of whom have appeared on opposition platforms, makes it unreasonable to rely on its report.
In spite of concerns, BHHRG finds no reason to believe that the final result of the 2004 presidential election in Ukraine was not generally representative of genuine popular will. The election featured a genuine choice of candidates, active pre-election campaigns, and high voter participation. It is clear that Ukrainian opinion was highly polarized. That meant many people backing a losing candidate would find it difficult to accept a defeat. Foreigners should not encourage civil conflict because the candidate on whom they have lavished expensive support turned out to be a loser.
And why not?
The BHHRG, by the way, accusing anybody of bias is laughable - they were, and remain, a bunch of anti-American leftist toads who seem to think the recent election met democratic standards.
Pathetic.
Why is Putin supporting the corrupt govt?
I heard Soros is back the suppsed good guy which makes me wonder. Soros is vermin. I also wonder if Soros backed the oligarchs who stole most of Russia's oil and other commodities plus steel factories. The oligarch vermin billionaires are all hiding out in London. I was hoping Putin would take back the stolen assets and come up with a way to privatize the companies and give Russian citizens shares in the companies.
The people of the Ukraine and Russia sure deserve some leaders who are not pirates. Not that I think the U.S., Western Europe, Asia, the Middle East (what a joke) are not that much better.
Note that I love America but our govt is filled with a bunch of crooks especially in that lifetime club or semi-royalty in the Senate.
Kuchima could actually go to jail for murder and corruption?
The Ukraine looks less corrupt than the United States when you see Clinton. Clinton probably was more corrupt than Kuchima and he ends up with millions.
This is an excellent article. I hope Soros is not connected to the reform candidate.
It seems like all of the 'human rights' groups hate the US more than they do authoritarian regimes. Guardian has a similar 'it's all America's fault' expose. So much noise, hard to pick out a signal sometimes.
And why Putin supports dictators in all others former Soviet republics except of Baltic states and Georgia? Because he can protect Russian business there better.
As I always recommend how to read Plato: study what you understand, not what you don't understand.
Very good article indeed, all truth. But this don’t change the fact of the Russian plans over there.
The signal on this one is pretty hard to miss, struwwelpeter - the recent election in the Ukraine isn't a valid expression of the electorate's will.
Without speaking to the number of votes gotten by whom, the machinations of the ruling party have invalidated this particular exercise in democracy.
Seychas my tak prikovany k telekam, esli ne na ploshchadi, kak nikogda. Na vsekh kanalakh zhurnalisty proveli zabastovki, chtoby im dali vozmozhnost' realizovat' svoi professional'nye vozmozhnosti i ne rabotat', kak prostye diktory, chitat' o tom, chto napisali v administratsii prezidenta, t.e. po 'temnikam'. I dobilis' svoego. Teper' mozhno smotret' kanaly i informatsiya skol'ko raznaya, chto neuspevaesh' prereklyuchat' kanaly, potomu chto informatsii mnogo i ona nasyshchennaya. Seychas k nam priexali kak posredniki Solan i Kvasnetskiy. Ne uverena, chto dostignut kakogo-to rezul'tata, slyshkom vlast' daleko zashla.But you know, when I lived there she held so many a**-backwards opinions (especially about the US) that I figured her views on this elections were screwy as well. Four years back she thought our problems in Florida were so hilarious."Now we are riveted to our television sets, if not out in the square, as never before. On all the TV stations the journalists cover the strikes, in order to finally realize their possiblities of their profession and not simply work as simple announcers, reading whatever the president's administration has written. And they are getting theirs. Now one can watch the stations and there is so much information and it's all so different that you can't even change the channel because it's so saturated. The mediators Solan and Kvasnetskiy arrived. I'm not sure that they'll reach some kind of result, the government has gone too far."
U menya, v sem'e, kak v strane, obrazovalas' oppozitsiya, kaolitsiya. Ya sobirayus' na nedele uezzhat', khochu poexat' v kakoy-nibud' sanatoriy do Novogo goda pobyt' vne doma i dat' im vozmozhnost' pobyt' bez menya. A mozhet byt', spokoyno tam umru.
"In my family, just as in my country, there have formed an opposition and a coalition. I'm getting ready to leave in a week, I want to go to some sort of sanitorium and stay there until the New Year, and give them some time here without me. Perhaps I'll just die there in peace."
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