Catholic pro-abortion politician rejects request to step down as cantor

Catholic News Agency ^ | November 19, 2004 | Catholic News Agency

[topher]

There are other threads on this.

However, this is the first thread that indicates that Father Cleary will go to the next step -- sending the request in writing.

If Archbishop O'Malley is against what Father Cleary has done, this is no word -- one way or the other.

My understanding, and this could be wrong, is that the pastor of a parish has a great deal of control that the Bishop cannot circumvent. I asked this question of Father Corapi in the Summer of 2004. He is an expert on Canon Law, and said that the pastor of a parish has a great deal of power. He did not say what those powers were.

Though it is a followup thread and somewhat old by Freeper standards -- the important point is that the priest was going to send the request in writing for the Parishoner to step down.

[AskStPhilomena]

Don't hold your breath while waiting for O'Malley to take action against these baby-killing dissidents.

[SteveMcKing]

"Rejects request"? Isn't there a word for that...

[Luddite Patent Counsel]

"Confused Catholics"??!!?? How could a real Catholic POSSIBLY be "confused" about whether he could advocate abortion? Thank God the pastor has at least a lick of sense. If the bishop doesn't back him up, he's just as guilty as the "cantor".

[topher]

Bad grammar on my part:
If Archbishop O'Malley is against what Father Cleary has done, this is no word -- one way or the other.

Better would be:
If Archbishop O'Malley is against what Father Cleary has done, there is no word -- one way or the other.

This article does not say if Archbishop O'Malley was involved in this or not. He may be supportive of the pastor.

[KateatRFM]

Why is he "requesting" her to step down? Sister Mary Bernadette who ran my high school would have grabbed her by the hair and frog-marched her out the door with a kick up her backside to send her on her way.

The Church needs to go back to being muscular in its Christianity.

[Lunkhead_01]

Father Cleary should send her, in writing, not a request to step down but an order to cease acting as a cantor because of he anti-Catholic stand on abortion. If she shows up to act as a cantor, Father Cleary should publicly embarass her by:

1. Ordering her to leave the altar/sanctuary.

2. If she refuses to do so, file a complaint with the FBI stating she is interfering with a religious service ... which is a federal felony.

[Ken522]

"My personal views and my personal faith is something that guides me,"

In previous times, this would be called heresy.

[topher]

Don't hold your breath while waiting for O'Malley to take action against these baby-killing dissidents.

Why? I believe he and Archbishop Charles Chaput are good friends.

The big difference is the mess O'Malley has: closing parishes to avoid bankruptcy and still problems with the cleric scandal.

If he is half the Capuchin Padre Pio or even Archbishop Chaput is, he will eventually have time to take a stand.

Or do you have better information?

[DTogo]

We need more church leaders and members like Sister Mary Bernadette!

[topher]

2. If she refuses to do so, file a complaint with the FBI stating she is interfering with a religious service ... which is a federal felony.

Yes. The FACE act, which Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts voted for. It has mandatory jail time and $10,000 fine.

[topher]

Update ping. Father Cleary will send request in writing.

[AskStPhilomena]

"If he is half the Capuchin Padre Pio or even Archbishop Chaput is, he will eventually have time to take a stand."

Please don't confuse O'Malley with Padre Pio.
O'Malley is a wishy-washy modernist church-wrecker whereas Padre Pio is a tough-as-teak traditionalist saint.
Padre Pio wouldn't let women without ankle-length skirts and completely covered arms into his confessional, let alone abortionists in the choir.

[pgkdan]

Since her Nov. 2 re-election, State Rep. Barbara L'Italien was asked by her pastor, Fr. William M. Cleary, at two meetings to step down as a cantor because of her pro-abortion stance.

What kind of pastor makes a request like this? She's not fit to lead the congregation in any way shape or form and if he has to physically bar her from doing so he should. No wonder there is so much confusion in the Church today.

[topher]

Padre Pio wouldn't let women without ankle-length skirts and completely covered arms into his confessional, let alone abortionists in the choir.

True.

[pgkdan]

AMEN!

[Mach9]

Here, here.

[topher]

What kind of pastor makes a request like this? She's not fit to lead the congregation in any way shape or form and if he has to physically bar her from doing so he should. No wonder there is so much confusion in the Church today.

There is not much confusion about this in the Archdiocese of Atlanta [or Dioceses of Charlotte and Charleston].

She would have been barred from receiving communion last summer...

If she goes to Atlanta and someone recognizes her as a pro-abortion politican, she will be barred from receiving communion.

[Mach9]

Frankly, I'd be dee-lighted to do away with ALL cantors (and all singing).

[Bushforlife]

How can anyone act by a different code of morality in public [as a legislator] than one does in ones' private life? What these liberal politicians essentially are proposing is that in their legislative decisions, they adopt the morality of what they perceive to be the majority of their constituents rather than follow the dictates of their own conscience. There is SO MUCH WRONG with this conduct that I hardly know where to begin. For instance, what happens when a state representative from a small conservative district becomes the Governor of that liberal state? Does he then vote liberal, whereas he up to that point always voted conservative?
This was an essential difference between John Kerry and our Great President. With Kerry, you never knew where he stood because he had essentially no moral anchor; his personal moral beliefs would not necessarily correlate with his executive decisions. With Dubya, what you see is what you get; he has never portrayed himself as being other than a conservative Christian, and has always acted accordingly. In essence, the President basically said the "what you see is what you get, take it or leave it". With Kerry, it was always a nebulous ever-changing agenda based on the result of the latest poll.
The American people have spoken; they would rather have a leader whom they can trust will act according to time tested moral guidelines.