Posted on 11/25/2004 1:26:49 PM PST by Jed Eckert
I stand corrected. I have learned that it is actually an AKM/AK-47 knock-off and not an SKS knock-off.
So lets be accurate - it is a civilianized AKM/AK-47 clone.
Unless you believe the cosmetic touches make a difference.
However, we also have counties that restrict the use of rifles.
Please no, I have a safe full of S&W revolvers with self-esteem problems now. :)
32-20? 44-40? .30 M1 Carbine?
Close but no cigar. Poaching can mean hunting without a license, or out of season, or going over the limit. Apparently, the last 2 ways to poach are favorites for this ethnic group.
Listen carefully, maybe you will understand.
Saiga rifles are patterned after the AK action. SKS is an entirely (as in totally, completely, fully, you stareing to get the picture?) different design. To say Saiga SKS is like saying a Ford Jeep or a Chrysler Bronco. So, until you become a bit better versed in weapons, STF!
Semper Fi!
OBTW there is more to the AK family than the 47. Get a grip will ya, you aren't helping your case.
Semper Fi
State laws usually spell out exactly what "poaching" consists of.
In Europe, prior to modern democratic times, the various lords and ladies owned the game. Poaching would have also included taking a landowner's game ~ something not possible in a state where the game belongs to the people.
Depending on the state a landowner can usually hunt on his own property without a license, but you usually have to adhere to lawful open seasons, size and age limits. Sometimes a landowner has to have a license, but is otherwise able to hunt animals at any time if such animals are a nuisance (meaning they are actually causing damage, not that they are out there just begging to be bagged, dressed out and put in the locker.)
No doubt this can be a very complex situation. Best bet is to get a license and always check with the property owner.
They aren't the best looking rifle around, but the quality is very good. Your $459.00 price tag is a bit off, the 7.62x39 sells for under $300.00.
I already published a retraction and admitted the rifle is an AK clone.
Idiot.
STF!
Awww....you went and hurt my feelings.
So you claim to be a marine and by extension a small arms expert huh?
Well I'll tell you what - I know enough about the AKM/AK-47 and SKS types to know there are good for tomato stakes out in my garden and thats about it.
Wanna hear some good jarhead jokes?
Taking game out of season or over the limit is, of course, not kosher. Please note, though, this particular guy had his own 40 acre spread. Did he do his out of season hunting on his own land, or maybe he "practiced" for his manhunts just exactly like Mr. John Muhammad, the DC sniper did!
Yep, they won't take them as shipped from the factory.
I've seen some of the of the conversions to make them look more like an AK. The major part is the trigger. It's set so far back that it uses a transfer bar to trip the sear. Setting it that far back was to prevent installation of the dreaded pistol grip.
That's all water under the bridge now that the AW ban has sunset. The 'evil looking' stuff is once again legally available. : -)
Still semi auto though : -(
There actually were Ford Jeeps. I am not sure if they made any after WWII and I know Willys designed and built them.
So do you really think all of your protestations about the technical aspects of the rifle will ultimately matter?
By the way I am well aquainted with the real definition of "assault rifle".
In fact most of my match rifles fall into that category.
As to the soviet and chinese junk in question, I'll stick with my M-14 clones/knock-offs/copies the M1A. And yes I have a M-16 clone/knock-off/copy the EA-15 H-bar (highly modified). But its a wimps rifle and I rarely use it.
Some of the parts interchange in both.
With the various comments about the Hmong, seems like a good point to introduce a few background details.
http://www.leadertelegram.com/specialreports/series/storydetail.asp?series=Hmong&theme=History&offset=0&offset2=0
Who are the Hmong?
By Dan Holtz
Leader-Telegram Staff
About 12 million Hmong people live in the world today, the majority in China’s southern provinces. The Hmong in America trace their Chinese ancestry back thousands of years, although their recent history is rooted in Laos, where they settled around a vast plateau called the Plain of Jars.
Their name for themselves, Hmong, has been translated as “free people.”
Farming heritage and clans
The Hmong have an agricultural history. The Hmong scattered atop Laotian mountains in numerous small, self-sufficient villages. They bound themselves to one another through devotion to family.
At birth, a child became a member of the clan of his or her father. Extended family members within a clan, no matter how distant, were always welcomed to the home. Tradition prohibited members of the same clan from marrying. Parents and local clan leaders sometimes arranged marriages to strengthen political alliances between families.
Average villages ranged in size from 10 to 20 families. Hmong farming methods required many hands, so families tended to be large.
The Hmong celebrated the harvest festival -- or the New Year -- around the full moon in December. Families and relatives from distant villages gathered for three days of eating, games, music and courting.
The Secret War
From 1961 to 1975, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency actively recruited Hmong highlanders to fight a “secret war” in Laos, which was in direct violation of the 1962 Geneva Accords.
Hmong soldiers blocked supply lines headed for South Vietnam, rescued downed American pilots and served as the primary “anti-communist” force in Laos.
The multi-million-dollar operation was unreported in the American media until 1969.
CIA officers promised their Hmong allies the United States would provide them with arms and supplies. The officers also vowed that America would take care of the Hmong in victory or defeat.
This American promise did not constitute a formal treaty and never was recorded on paper. But years later it would be recalled by many of the Hmong who fled Laos as a result of the war.
Fleeing at war’s end
The American withdrawal from Southeast Asia in 1975 created upheaval in the region. Cut off from American arms and supplies, the Hmong secret army disbanded. In May 1975, its leaders and their followers were airlifted to Thailand. Thousands followed on foot while others remained in Laos to rebuild their homes and villages.
From 1975 through 1992, more than 100,000 Hmong people crossed into Thailand to escape retribution from the communist government. About 200,000 remained in Laos.
After crossing the Mekong River into Thailand, the Hmong refugees gathered in overcrowded camps with limited food and water. Two or three families often shared a 10-foot by 10-foot bamboo hut in the camps. The families slept in shifts. The overcrowded conditions led to disease, and many refugees died from malaria.
Finding a new home
Most refugees at the camps viewed Thailand as temporary quarters. Once the political climate stabilized in the region, many believed they would return to Laos.
With stabilization not occurring, the Hmong accepted the idea of relocating. The majority of the more than 100,000 refugees chose the United States.
In May 1975, Congress passed the Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act, exempting refugees from normal immigration restrictions.
More than 20,000 Hmong refugees moved to the United States from 1975 to 1979, and the number exceeded 110,000 by 1993.
Focusing on the Midwest
Individuals, churches and volunteer agencies sponsored the first group of Hmong refugees to the United States. The geographical locations of the sponsoring groups accounted, in part, for the concentration of Hmong refugees in select U.S. cities and states.
Once refugees established themselves in America, they often became the sponsors for relatives still living in the Thailand camps.
Initially, the U.S. government provided financial assistance to Hmong refugees through the Refugee Cash Assistance Program. The federal government also provided funds for language and job training and reimbursed states for their contributions to Aid to Families With Dependent Children, Supplementary Security Insurance, food stamps and Medicaid.
By 1980, younger Hmong refugees, who often were fluent in English, began staffing Mutual Assistance Associations -- self-help organizations funded by the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement.
In Minnesota and Wisconsin, church sponsorship and secondary migration produced significant Hmong populations in various communities. The 2000 Census indicated the Minneapolis-St. Paul metropolitan area, with 40,707 Hmong residents, has the largest Hmong population in the country. The census also showed that Wisconsin’s largest Hmong populations are in these metropolitan areas: Milwaukee (8,078), Appleton/Oshkosh (4,741), Wausau (4,453), Green Bay (2,957), Sheboygan (2,706), La Crosse (2,285), Madison (2,235) and Eau Claire (1,920).
The U.S. Census Bureau counted about 170,000 Hmong people in the United States in 2000, with the largest populations in California (65,095), Minnesota (41,800) and Wisconsin (33,791). Groups that assist the Hmong suggest those figures represent significant undercounts.
Sources include the Hmong Cultural Center in St. Paul and the Chippewa Valley Museum in Eau Claire. A major source was “Hmong in America: Journey From a Secret War,” published by the Chippewa Valley Museum Press.
"So do you really think all of your protestations about the technical aspects of the rifle will ultimately matter?"
Yes.
Why are you so rude?
An optimist.
Why are you so rude?
I'm not.
And that is precisely my point in posting the court document.
I saw and heard the sheriff at the news conference constantly refer to the weapon as a 'SKS Assault Rifle'. I expect that kind of disinformation from the media since they obviously have an agenda.
From law enforcement who are conducting an investigation into multiple homicides and who are supposed to be familiar with firearms I expect better.
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