4 airplanes with Russian troops landed in Ivano-Frankivsk, UKRAINE

Maidan ^

[Tailgunner Joe]

But you support Soros' plans to legalize drugs and prostitution in order to turn America into a junk-whore gangster state. The fact that Soros supports your Narco-pimp enterprise doesn't bother you.

No the truth is that you are a Russian bootlicker who will always side with Putin no matter what, even if it means going against your own nation's and our NATO allies' interests.

[notigar]

Oh, so you have proof that Soros made the Ukraine election a fraud, but the US government is wrong. Please tell me you aren't a teacher, or in a position to influence young minds.

[Minus_The_Bear]

This is not our problem. Let the Europeans deal with it. We should get back to what our founding fathers told us about foreign entanglements. Ummm we kinda blew that with Iraq. If we don't help The Ukraine out now it looks pretty hypocritical... maybe downright evil.

[Poohbah]

Forget Soros. Ignore him entirely. He's as irrelevent there as he is here.

He almost the sole source of funding for Yushchenko. I wonder what the price tag of that support will be--and what price America will pay to fix the mess Soros will inevitably make.

Look at what's happening to the Ukrainian people and their self determination. The military and civil authorities are taking sides. Russian troops reportedly deployed, dressed as Ukrainian troops. Bunker mentality corruption. This isn't going to be pretty, and they may need our help.

If the intervention is to support Yushchenko, and succeeds in installing him in office, then the Ukrainians will need our help again after their economy craters.

[Poohbah]

Oh, so you have proof that Soros made the Ukraine election a fraud, but the US government is wrong.

I didn't say that. I said that I question just how "free" these elections were in the first place.

Please tell me you aren't a teacher, or in a position to influence young minds.

If I were your teacher, I'd make you run around the school yelling "I'M A DUMBS**T!" over and over because of your inability to understand written English.

[notigar]

"When "free elections" boil down to Soros manipulating the process for financial benefit, I question just how "free" they are."

So, a manipulation of process isn't meant to be fraud? If it isn't, what the hell are you complaining about? Fair manipulation? Remove head. Start breathing again.

[vannrox]

Things, that make you go hummmm.....

[Poohbah]

So, a manipulation of process isn't meant to be fraud?

I'm just questioning the basic legitimacy of the process, since it seems that Soros created this guy from nothing.

[monday]

"Putin is a dirty bitch and "the west" act just like in 30's."

99.9% of all politicians are "dirty b!tches". Doesn't matter where they are from. What did you expect?

[Minus_The_Bear]

" 99.9% of all politicians are "dirty b!tches". Doesn't matter where they are from. What did you expect?"

Yeah but most of them dont run a police state and control the media.

[monday]

"him and his colleagues will immediately leave for Kyiv to defend the people."

They better leave now. If they wait, they will be too late.

[RichardW]

You should have posted my entire post. I said we had a vital strategic interest in Iraq. What vital strategic interest do we have in Ukraine? And what can we possibly do anyway? These are not benighted, ignorant and crazed fanatics living there. They will do what they have to do to get this straightened out.

[Tail Gunner John]

Condi knows the Russians as well as anyone. Condi will not blink or back down when dealing with Russians. I'm very thankful that she will be one counseling GWB on these matters. In Condi we must trust.

[Jeremiah Jr]

Take a page from the Red book and keep them in your sites...Red Alert... Red Alert...

[AmericanInTokyo]

Sheesh. Those dudes been hittin' the vodka bottle! (And at least one the paint thinner!).

Boy I'd hate to be a Vietnamese immigrant walking by them at the time.

[Reborn]

Thank you for your posts. Ignore the posters who are commies. You can tell them by how incredibly RUDE they are.

God bless the Freedom Hungry people of Ukraine!

[norton]

"The naivete of FReepers in this discussion about the Ukraine situation is an embarrassment."

No,
it is unfortunate but hardly embarrassing.

Given the deep levels of ignorance that our european 'friends' have shown of the USA and the relative importance of Ukraine versus Iraq, mexico, canada, Afghanistan, UK, Colombia, Australia, or Poland; failure to be up to date on Ukrainian factions is hardly surprising.

I do know that Ukraine suffers for its proximity to Russia and has done so for a long, long, time. I hardly find it a surprise that they would refute a government supported by Russia and I would expect them to oppose Russian troops sent in order to force them to accept a questionable election.

So far we are talking about companies of troops, not an armored division. I am not at all sure that the Russians could place enough force on the ground to force their outcome in any event. From what I can read here the Ukrainian people themselves feel they are capable of a resolution and my guess is that the best thing 'the west' can do is to limit its involvement to diplomacy and arm twisting.

Are you really ready for another "former Republic of Yugoslavia"?

[RightWhale]

at 4:15 a.m. on November 4, 1956, Soviet forces launched a major attack on Hungary aimed at crushing, once and for all, the spontaneous national uprising that had begun 12 days earlier.

[keysguy]

"this is not our problem"

I beg to differ. We are looking at Putin trying to expand the former Soviet Union, now Russia, with the help of the Russian mob. And don't forget he has a bunch of nucs at his disposal. I say if it is not our problem is should be. It is not in the best interest of the U.S. for Putin to expand his universe IMHO.

[monday]

"Yeah but most of them dont run a police state and control the media."

They would if they thought they could get away with it. Unfortunately many Freepers would support them in their quest to do so.

It's funny, we have liberal Ukrainians calling American Freepers communists on this thread, and I can see where they have a point. Communists did run a police state and control the media, and many FReepers on this thread support Putin and his puppet candidate who would do the same.

There is no perspective. Just because they support Putin in one area, doesn't mean they have to support everything he does. Oh well.

Just for the record, Putin supporters would more accurately be called Fascists, or totalitarians, not communists.