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1 posted on 11/24/2004 7:19:53 AM PST by DTaggart
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Considering those great numbers of born-again Christians blowing themselves up in shopping malls and massacring children in schools and making DVDs of their beheadings of unbelievers, it is not hard to understand why liberals would be majorly concerned about this sort of hate speech...or, uhm, am I missing something here?


31 posted on 11/24/2004 7:45:11 AM PST by cartan
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If Saudi Arabians wrote an Islamic version of this series, we would furiously demand that sensible Muslims repudiate such hatemongering. We should hold ourselves to the same standard.

Another sicko from the NYTimes equating today's Christian fundamentalism with today's Islamic fundamentalism. This simplistic nonsense plays well in Manhattan I suppose.

Keep it up you blue state wise guys and know it alls and keep losing elections.

32 posted on 11/24/2004 7:46:21 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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"If Saudi Arabians wrote an Islamic version of this series, we would furiously demand that sensible Muslims repudiate such hatemongering. We should hold ourselves to the same standard."

The "Left Behind" series anticipates a divine intervention in history; it does not encourage anyone to kill or attack nonbelievers, or to force conversions. So Kristof's atttempt at a parallel with radical Islam falls flat.
33 posted on 11/24/2004 7:46:27 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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But I've sat down in Pakistani and Iraqi mosques with Muslim fundamentalists, and they offered the same defense: they're just applying God's word.

Big difference here. Christians just tell how they see it will unfold. Followers of Islam attempt to impliment it every day...

36 posted on 11/24/2004 7:51:47 AM PST by Axenolith (This space for rent...)
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I've read all but the last book in the series and enjoyed them immensely. This twit obviously doesn't understand that without Christ, we are all sinners and the penalty for sin is death. God's Justice insists on payment - that's why He sent His Son to pay the penalty for us and gave us all the opportunity to choose everlasting life in lieu of death. I guess I have no choice but to pray that this guy gets it before it is too late and he ends up being one of the casualties he scoffs about...
38 posted on 11/24/2004 7:54:32 AM PST by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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"Why don't they use the millions of dollars in profits to help the poor - and increase their own chances of getting into heaven? "


Because that would be actually living their faith, rather than profiting from it.


41 posted on 11/24/2004 8:04:12 AM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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I don't know what God's timing is.

I know that timing has been speeded up somehow, if that makes any sense. LOL.

I know that hell--whatever that is--is some sort of encapsulated place rather devoid of any sense of God's presence etc.

God will not force people to be with Him and to play by His rules. But He will also not allow them to pollute His perfection when He decides to cleanse the universe of rebellion. An move that appears to be around the corner.

God through Elijah (or was it Elisha?) and others have periodically declared:

CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE.

We can choose ourselves, sin, satan and a variety of alternatives to God. The end result will be the same--isolation from God, good and perfection--call it whatever you will.

Christ declared that no man got to Father God except through Him. He rose again to demonstrate He had that authority. More than 500 witnesses saw him after the resurrection teaching, eating, running around loose and very alive. That's not true of any other religion. Either Christ was an insane idiot OR He was who He said He was. IF He was who He said He was, then He must be believed and obeyed.

God says THOSE WHO SEEK HIM will find Him. I believe that even includes folks earnestly seeking Almighty God through the foggy deceptions of other belief systems. I have no elaborate doctrinal proof etc. of that. It's a personal belief based on that one Scripture and some other . . . inputs and experiences. I believe that ultimately--finding God means accepting Christ as Savior whether on one's death bed or however God works that out.

God plays for keeps. But thankfully, as Scripture says, Mercy triumphs over judgment. However, He IS ALSO a fierce and jealous God. Rebellion will ultimately not be tolerated. Perfection cannot tolerate it.

Those who would sit in judgment of God in the Old Testament wiping out whole people groups do not have a perspective near enough to God, much less ABOVE GOD from which to judge HIM. I'm convinced that from an eternal perspective, all will acknowledge that God does ALL THINGS well, perfectly.

Scripure declares that every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Christ is Lord. I 100% believe it. The timing of one's doing so has everything to do with deciding whether one will be in eternal intimate fellowship with God or willfully isolated from Him. And that will make MUCH MORE THAN a world of difference.

All the significant evidences indicates we VERY MUCH ARE in the birth pangs leading up to the Great Tribulation(s) of the end times spoken of in The Bible. I grow weary of the nonsense, blindness and ignorance otherwise and will likely not respond much to such noise. I've studied it since Jr High and find the conclusion inescapable.

The World Government and world monetary system with the implantable ID so well matching the Biblical warning about the mark are two facts, which alone, would indicate that. There are dozens and dozens of other issues, clues, puzzle pieces--with thousands of advancing individual data points toward the end game to support such convictions. George Soros and company are prime examples.

Sometimes, it has seemed in days and centuries past that God can rather easily spend both His servants and saints as well as enemies like used water. But I know He does all things well and from absolute Love tempered by Perfection and Perfect judgment.

There is a telling Scripture that says that we will be judged by the standards we've used to judge others. God won't need to condemn us. Our lives and pontifications will condemn ourselves unless our sins have been confessed, repented of and Christ's Blood accepted as their covering.

Part of the message of Christ is that we CANNOT live up to even our own standards. All have sinned and gone astray. All are in need of a Savior.

The many accounts of Moslems around the world having dreams and visions of Jesus are examples of God's Love, imho, reaching out to those who truly want a relationship with God Almighty. Many of them experience Christ in their dreams and visions as God and submit wonderously and blessedly to Him in their experience as His being God. Then they have to go out and carefully, cautiously find out who this Jesus is, having never learned of Him.

There have been similar historical examples of people finding God without missionaries or any other human input.

I don't have all the answers about suffering. I just know from my own extensive suffering that it is not mindless and does not occur, is not allowed without a higher goal in mind. Submission to God in all things maximizes the benefit.

Regardless. God is THE BOSS.

Ranting and railing against Him will prove more than idiotic and futile. It will prove to be eternally terminal.

One makes one's choices in little and big ways daily. At some point, those choices are conclusive and eternity is set for that individual.

Let us all choose God, choose Life.

It is not bigotry to notice when the sun is up. It is not bigotry to notice that evil is evil and good is good. It is not bigotry to choose Life and encourage others to do the same.

The conflict between Elisha and the prophets of Baal demonstrated quite clearly who's God was God. There will be 100's of such demonstrations--likely within 10 years but certainly within the lifetime of those seeing Israel become a nation again in a day in 1948.

The times and options are rapidly running out the bottom of the terminal hour glass.

Those interested in prophetic issues may find this thread of interest:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1274030/posts


53 posted on 11/24/2004 8:16:45 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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No

one

knows

the time or the place

not even Christ;

ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS

These people are charlatans - the Jimmy Swaggerts of Barnes and Noble.

63 posted on 11/24/2004 8:44:05 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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Ahh, an oldie but goodie from the dunce who helped falsely accused Steve Hatfill of being the anthrax mailer.


65 posted on 11/24/2004 8:50:33 AM PST by jpl (The tribe has spoken, now for goodness sake, get a life.)
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WOW! You've done your bible studies. Let me guess, you were raise an Catholic and your were an alter boy. No.. Sorry..That was John Kerry. I have 2 easy question that I already know the answers too, but lets get you on record...Ok. 1.Have you ever read the bible? I don't mean do google searches just to counter your critics. 2.Why would someone who is truly ignorant to Christianity go off half cocked spewing snid bits of info you stole from Slate.com articles and even care about how much someone makes off there publications? What if we asked you what you made or are going to make off your anti-american, anti-christian, anti-jewish, anti-freedom, homosexual propaganda, NAMBLA loving, ACLU-ism biography? You would think that is none of anyones business. Oh ya...You are liberal and your group think loud rants about others doesn't apply to you. Let me ask you... Who do you admire more Pol Pot or Mumia Abu-Jamal? Or do the moral empties care?
70 posted on 11/24/2004 9:09:46 AM PST by coffee260
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From the looks of this opinion piece I can now understand why the Israelis are working towards returning Jerusalem to Palestine.
72 posted on 11/24/2004 9:12:27 AM PST by pete anderson
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[ Why don't they use the millions of dollars in profits to help the poor - and increase their own chances of getting into heaven? ]

I see... You don't get it...
That sentence says more than the whole screed..
My opinion is this sentence displays "the blindness"..

Since Jesus came to make ALL religions obsolete, and DID..

You evidently overlook the heinous disease religion has been to mankind.. ALL OF THEM.. and yet seem to reject the very one that saved many from them.. What would a REAL god even need with a religion.?.. yours OR mine.. What is a religion but an organization that takes the place of God, a business really.?.

There are many "Gods" in this world.. all of them mental constructs.. Jesus spoke in metaphors(parables) mostly.. You might not understand any of them.. I don't understand them all either, completely..

Like some atheists say, "If there is no God then there ought to be one"... Thats the least arrogant of them anyway.. But the sentence above.. is the base of some socialists world and of course socialism "IS" slavery to government.. If a socialist had any sense he/she wouldn't be a socialist..

77 posted on 11/24/2004 9:28:45 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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Does this article have a source?


79 posted on 11/24/2004 9:52:38 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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the difference is in who carries out the vengeance.

truth hurts alert.

86 posted on 11/24/2004 10:37:37 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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ummmmm, let's see.

We have a couple guys who write books speculating on how their theology will play out; they're not, as far as I know, telling readers that they should kill non-believers to fulfill prophesy.

On the other hand, we have a group of religious extremists actively working toward fulfilling the tenets of their beliefs.

Once again we can see how these people demonize Christianity while excusing the current facts regarding muslims.

From the sarcastic tone of this piece, this smug little prick thinks he's just too clever for having exposed Christianity for the hypocrisy he imagines it to be.

Repeat after me: There is no liberal media. There is no liberal media. There is no liberal media.


94 posted on 11/27/2004 10:02:56 PM PST by twas
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