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AG nominee member of La Raza
WND ^ | nov 24, 04 | staff

Posted on 11/24/2004 12:32:19 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING

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To: MikeinIraq
Iraq? The force here is damn near 50% reserve at the moment. Afghan? Not as high, but nearly 10% of that is reserve but that isnt counting the contigent in Qatar, which is about 50% itself....

Exactly; Killing the terrorists over there to reduce the likelyhood of them killing us here. We let them probe us with attacks for too long before 9/11. Can't guard against every possible attack scenario. They knocked down two towers and now two anti-American dictatorships have been destroyed so that people who want what we have can be in a better position to help us fight the enemy. I'm honored to give you my thanks, right after this Thanksgiving Holiday.

People have to understand that over here in the States we have to play it smart against the enemy within, so that it can't reproduce the same kind of fifth column that undermined the sacrifices of many good men like you because in their hearts or because of their ignorant minds they were with the enemy.

This Thanksgiving is more special to me than others because for me personally there has been much more to be grateful about. Happy Thanksgiving to you.

61 posted on 11/26/2004 3:23:56 AM PST by Sirc_Valence (I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those that threaten.. my brother)
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To: JoelQP
Well,i do not feel like an Anglo-Saxon, simply because I am not one. But I see your point.. and that takes us back to assimilation.

Yes, no more than a Sweede here might... But as the founding culture of the American Revolution, we Anglo-Saxons have a sense of pride in what America has become. Even its tolerance for diversity comes from that culture. When we see people fighting for their own freedom in a principled and extremely effective manner, we see ourselves. Call it ethnocentric, but we love people who fight well for their liberty.

62 posted on 11/26/2004 3:25:21 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
That's more than last time. No one can get elected, especially when latinos like me become the majority in this country, by being percieved as hostile to us. That's just a simple fact, for better or worse.

"It does have a certain ring to it."

Best scenario that's the liberty bell. Worst case: alarm bell.

I agree with you on the very real ongoing erosion of the American civilization through multiculturalist LIEberal nonsense, among other forms of LIEberal nonsense.. that's the point. President Bush knows what he's doing and he's doing the best with the cards he's been dealt.

65 posted on 11/26/2004 3:31:18 AM PST by Sirc_Valence (I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those that threaten.. my brother)
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To: Sirc_Valence

I am just afraid that our paranoia over illegal immigrants will eventually spill over into something from the 1940's in Germany....I know America is the land of the free and the brave, but look at some of the posts on here and I am absolutely certain FR has a more centric stance than others do on this issue (others being the KKK for instance) and you will see why.

"Let's just round them all up and send them back"
"Let's put the Army on the border and seal it."

What if they resist? why not just kill them and get it over with? Thats a bunch of crap and there has to be a way to take care of the issue. One of those is to make Mexico (the main country from which immigrants come illegally IMO) economically viable and liveable.

Like I have said before, the vast majority of the people coming here illegally feel they have no other choice to feed themselves or their family. Any $5 an hour job up here looks like riches compared to poverty down there.

The problem isnt the people. The problem is the banana republics in the countries they are coming from.


66 posted on 11/26/2004 3:35:11 AM PST by MikefromOhio (45 days until I can leave Iraq for good....)
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To: Sirc_Valence
Best scenario that's the liberty bell.

Let's focus on that goal!

67 posted on 11/26/2004 3:37:17 AM PST by risk
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To: usadave
Anybody who knows anything about La Raza knows that it is a very racist organization that practices hard-nosed, race-based politics in order to achieve its race-based agenda

There are, but their organizations are pretty much underground because the media is more lenient to La Raza racism. David Duke may side with you on certain issues but that doesn't make you wrong on those issues. Unless you come from the same place that he does.

68 posted on 11/26/2004 3:42:41 AM PST by Sirc_Valence (I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those that threaten.. my brother)
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To: MikeinIraq; B4Ranch; ExSoldier; Travis McGee
One of those is to make Mexico (the main country from which immigrants come illegally IMO) economically viable and liveable.


Hernando de Soto

Hernando de Soto has some excellent material about South America, democracy, and the rule of law.

While I think America can evangelize values like the rule of law, it can only do so much.

Furthermore, it should not matter how bad things get in Mexico as far as our security goes. That's like saying AIDS in Africa is a threat to our security. It may be a factor, but we have to be willing to take steps to handle the results either way.

We must manage our border security, and we can solve these problems. It is as Victor Davis Hanson says, a traitorous alliance among the Republicans, the Democrats, the media, the intellectual elites, the property owners, and the lower American classes who want $0.50 cabbage that puts us in the bind we have now: a conspiracy to leave open the border for convencience' sake.

But there are a lot of ideas coming to the fore now regarding the monitoring of the border, and I think they will go into action over the next five years. And there are a lot of patriots like Michelle Malkin who are keeping the dangers and the ostriches who are trying to ignore them by putting their heads in the sand -- in the public eye.

This five year period will make or break America. We'll either become a totally socialist cesspool with no recourse, or else we'll turn the ship of state around.

It's our choice. This year. While the majority still remembers who settled America first, and why.

69 posted on 11/26/2004 3:50:36 AM PST by risk
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To: risk

It's our choice. This year. While the majority still remembers who settled America first, and why.




If you had put a "from Europe" after your settled America first statement, you would be correct. However, there is a bit of a historical error. The Vikings were here first. The Indians were as well.

but maybe civilized is the correct term. I equate settled as in living, not necessarily civilized.

I dont know if illegal immigration will lead us into being a "socialist cesspool" either. It is an issue, but putting the military on the border isnt nearly the solution that will effectively resolve the problem. It isnt that we as a country need to make Mexico viable, but somehow, someway, through economics and investments, it needs to become more proserous. I feel our security will feel an impact if Mexico continues to swirl down the drain and yet more millions attempt to get across the border. It is a big issue. It is much more complex than throwing poor people back across the border so they can try again tomorrow night. They have nothing to lose, so why not.

Whereas you and me are looking at it, from an established country where we have things, money, food in our belly, etc. A lot of them (not all but very many) dont have that.

Face it, if our kids were starving in the US, but Canada had a stable job and a safer environment to live in, which one of us wouldnt leave for the sake of our families and ourselves? I know I would. Thankfully I wont ever have that decision to make.


70 posted on 11/26/2004 4:01:28 AM PST by MikefromOhio (45 days until I can leave Iraq for good....)
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To: MikeinIraq
"Let's just round them all up and send them back"
"Let's put the Army on the border and seal it."

What if they resist? why not just kill them and get it over with?

I think that would be like resisting arrest since at that point it would be a law enforcement issue. That's what I mean by never gonna happen. The best we can do is get tougher on borders and more active in the "blue" areas in taking down the entrenched seditious left where it lives. David Horowitz of FrontPageMag.com is doing alot to start clearing a path for a more regenerate science in our education system to bring back classical liberalism, as opposed to the mush that is being produced now. I think America is has been in an EDUCATION CRISIS (which affects everything else) for a long time, but the lib media does everything to let the thing metastisize. We have to keep such things in mind when the Perots run around raving and shaking their fists.

71 posted on 11/26/2004 4:02:45 AM PST by Sirc_Valence (I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those that threaten.. my brother)
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To: MikeinIraq; B4Ranch; Squantos; Grampa Dave
If you had put a "from Europe" after your settled America first statement, you would be correct. However, there is a bit of a historical error. The Vikings were here first. The Indians were as well.

Besides the Spanish, the Vikings, the possible Arabs, the possible Chinese, and of course the first arrivals from Asia via Alaska or Polynesia, Anglo-Saxons were the ones who "settled" this country.

I know because my family tree goes back to the 17th century. I have ancestors who were killed by indians.

I've departed from the group of people who thinks America is strong enough to withstand the demographic and cultural transformations it began after WWII. They're sweeping, they're indelible, and they're about to take us under.

America may look very strong to a troop like yourself in Iraq, but watching the news here every day, and living in San Francisco where the diversity is at its all time peak, I feel I know better.

Look out, because change is coming our way.

72 posted on 11/26/2004 4:09:22 AM PST by risk
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Write your Congressman/Congresswoman. Any person remotely affiliated with racist organizations has no business in such a position. I'd feel the same if Bush suggested an NAACP or KKK member for AG.

Surely there will be no objectivity in enforcement.


73 posted on 11/26/2004 4:22:03 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: dagnabbit

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74 posted on 11/26/2004 5:00:43 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: risk

well since my family didnt come over until the 1840s, I guess we should get on the boat back to Ireland then huh?

Did we get here first? mostly. But still immigrants will come and go. Keeping your identity is YOUR job, not the Governments. The Government should reflect who the people are. Currently it does, but if that changes (legitimately of course), what can we do except stick to our guns and continue to fight for our beliefs? Stopping legitimate immigration because it might change what the Government does is asinine, as I believe the forefathers knew that the country could and would change with the times and still be American.


75 posted on 11/26/2004 5:26:55 AM PST by MikefromOhio (45 days until I can leave Iraq for good....)
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To: MikeinIraq; B4Ranch; anonymoussierra; Matthew Paul
Stopping legitimate immigration because it might change what the Government does is asinine...

I have to disagree with you there. With 1.4 billion muslims and growing, should we invite more to America? Why? With Chinese immigrants who were at the Tianammen Square protests expressing their belief that Taiwan should be united with the mainland, are you sure you want more of them? We're losing our blue collar jobs to illegal immigrants. We're losing our hitech jobs to H1B visa immigrants. We're losing our security and our cultural unity from the Islamic and Latino immigration we've seen.

And how did this all happen? Our Greatest Generation ancestors saved the world from racism. They wanted to prove that they weren't like the Germans or the Japanese. They wanted to prove this so much that they threw open the floodgates.

I realize this isn't standard material you can find in a field manual. But this citizen does care where our immigrants come from and why. Check your Polish buddies in Iraq and ask them how they feel about being restricted when a Mexican can waltz in unchecked. How they feel about Chechen Islamists coming in on invitation. How they feel about Sudanese and Somalian immigration while they wait in line to talk to our embassies, sometimes for days.

It's a different world. It didn't turn out to be a Small World After all. It turned out to be a third world hell hole and a bunch of Ivy League elites who think human nature is naturally good when it's really just animalistic and savage.

We can assimilate all kinds of people, but only a few at a time. The prevailing culture should stay Anglo-Saxon. If that's lost, America will not stay free, I can promise you that. Latinos and Muslims have scarcely heard of the Magna Carta or the Reformation. These are the things Anglo-Saxon culture brings to our history.

76 posted on 11/26/2004 5:40:22 AM PST by risk
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

not good...


77 posted on 11/26/2004 5:40:59 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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To: tutstar

Not true. The headline is a lie.


78 posted on 11/26/2004 5:47:41 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: risk

Thank you you have had write well!!!!


79 posted on 11/26/2004 5:54:12 AM PST by anonymoussierra
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To: risk

I have to disagree with you there. With 1.4 billion muslims and growing, should we invite more to America? Why? With Chinese immigrants who were at the Tianammen Square protests expressing their belief that Taiwan should be united with the mainland, are you sure you want more of them? We're losing our blue collar jobs to illegal immigrants. We're losing our hitech jobs to H1B visa immigrants. We're losing our security and our cultural unity from the Islamic and Latino immigration we've seen.




Wowwee wild and vile speculation....when did I EVER say any of that?


80 posted on 11/26/2004 6:36:11 AM PST by MikefromOhio (45 days until I can leave Iraq for good....)
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