Posted on 11/22/2004 5:26:41 AM PST by Marine Inspector
He knew Americans don't a guest worker program, but he also knew that he could shove it down our throats after he was reelected. Hence I didn't vote for the fool.
It seems like the Republicans in congress are holding the line.
The day President Bush initiates such crap before Congress, I will sign and help distribute a petition calling for his impeachment.
That's 100% correct. Some here still think the Hispanics voted for Bush because of illegal alien amnesty. It just isn't true.
In Arizona, 47% of the Hispanics voted to cut off welfare to illegal aliens. The vast majority of legal Hispanic immigrants despise illegal aliens.
He said it again. He said that enraging, insulting thing..."Willing workers for willing employers."
I live in a county with 9% unemployment, with a "godfather" coyote who vans 'em in by the dozens...
Wrong. Oil had nothing to do with Iraq.
As for Mexico, oil has a lot to do with immigration.
The Bush family makes it money from oil, Mexico has more oil then it knows what to do with, and if you don't think Bush and Fox have made concessions about what they will be doing after their terms as President, you’re sadly mistaken.
In about 6 years, I’ll try and remember to come back on this thread and say I told you so.
Agreed.
I also believe that the PACs trying to encourage the enforcement of immigration law need to explore some legal theories to take these employers to court. It is clear that civil rights are being violated, and lawful citizens being discriminated against.
We won't be getting oil, Bush will after he is out of office, years from now. It has nothing to do America; it has to do with how Bush will make money after his term is up.
That will never happen. Bush and the Senate will ensure all guest workers will be legal residents at the end of their work visas.
Only in the House. The Senate is lock step in line with Bush. If it were not for the House, this would have been a done deal three years ago. I completely support my House members. My Senators can hit the road.
It comes from the American discomfort with hiring servants in the first place.
Was at a party the other night listening to some golf course whitehairs and bluebloods talk about the issue, "Geeee, they work so haaaard..." Oh, aren't they cute. So sweet and helpful and subservient. Makes me feel like a real generous massa and missus for letting them have the privilege of scrubbing my toilet.
Noblesse oblige. Oh, and Manuel...you missed a spot.
If all this legalization crap gets passed, I've probably voted my last time.
What would be the point?
Of all the inanities you've uttered on this thread, the one above is the single dumbest thing I've read all day.
Bush is worth $20 million. He doesn't need to "make money" after his term is up, especially with a half-million dollar annual presidential pension.
LOL. Name on rich person that is not out and about trying to make more money.
Sorry, like the vast majority of all poeple, he wants more and is working to get it.
I may be wrong, but I doubt it. Anyway, we'll know in about 6 years.
BS.
From all I saw, Bush would repeat the "willing worker and a willing employer" line only when directly asked about his amnesty plan. There was never any daily campaigning on the border issues, AFAIK.
Barlowmaker only posts antagonistic comments. This thread is eaten up by the usual apologists for illegals and promoters of the breakdown in U.S. culture and values.
This is a good idea.
But I respond from a broader perspective. Asking for opinions and input from the folks who know.
Bush has been pushing this thing from the day after his first election. We all know it, we all know it's important to him and few of us like it.
September 11 of 2001 likely derailed his wish but we should read the handwriting on the wall, the man wants this and he's using his precious but dwindling political capital for it.
Is is possible, let me throw it out there, that Bush has seen all the facts and figures on illegal aliens currently in this country? There are millions, yea multi-millions, or illegal aliens and no government organization can possibly find them all, make them become citizens, ensure that they have jobs...yada, yada. The whole concept is a huge buraucratic nightmare, bound to take dozens of years.
So Bush decides the only way to deal with the problem is to start now. Give every current illegal alien a chance to step forward, get a worker's permit, assuming they have a job, and continue on to become a legal citizen.
He says it's not amnesty but what punishment is offered for their "crime", which I say softly because listen guys, there are many, many, many, just soooo many, illegal aliens in this country that are working, productive citizens.
Sure, they shouldn't be here. It's a crime for them to be here, but who knows how many different ways it happened? Maybe they came to visit their Aunt Concita and didn't go home. Perhaps they were but adolescents when their parents brought them here. Their parents weren't citizens so neither are they.
However the holes in our buraucracy not to mention Clinton encouraging these folks for their vote, these people are HERE and they're HERE by the millions.
I'm betting a huge percentage of them are working jobs Americans won't take. Here in Delaware we've probably got a million of these illegals working the chicken factories.
I see these people. They are normal families, happy, laughing, living their lives and mostly, hey, you don't have to believe me, working hard.
If you've walked into a mess before, sometimes the best course of action is to START SOMEWHERE.
We don't have the twenty years it would take to document and follow through on all these people. We have terrorists coming into this country now. 20 years, that is, assuming the government workers actually work and discounting their 237 or so days of government leave.
Please understand this is not necessarily my argument. I have been thinking about this for the past four years and with the increased talk about this thing, I again am desperately trying to understand Bush's logic. He doesn't seem like a vain man out on some personal mission on this thing, especially with its unpopularity.
What we have here is a nation with millions of illegal people living within and maybe the ONLY way to get some handle on it is to START HERE. From this point forward, technology will handle the thing. I hear talk of rays of stuff that will detect trespassers to our borders. At the point we document the current illegal aliens we can then use our amazing technology to keep it straight.
If I'm right, then maybe the problem lies with the President himself. Because he could certainly present his rational argument from his bully pulpit. We'd understand that in the past it was impossible to patrol such a large country. That the very largeness of this country is the reason we are so wealthy and powerful but, hey, there's a downside. He could expound about how all of these illegal aliens can't get driver's licenses, can't be counted in the census, that they are all, essentially, breaking laws everyday, unable to get car insurance, that they are general problems that must be dealt with.
More important, the President could offer that tracking terrorists is almost impossible with so many other illegal aliens clouding the vision.
Or does he just not want to admit the country blew it when it paid no attention to its borders for almost its entire history?
I'm betting we'd roundup about 80% of the illegal aliens with this one step. There's always that evil 20%.
All in one fell swoop, think about it.
There you go, I smell bipartisanship a brewin'. McVain on the Today show, etc.
Please give us the BOHICA alert when you post these amnesty articles.
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