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Putin adviser says Kyoto 'smoke screen'
WorldNetDaily ^ | Posted: November 20, 2004 | Staff?

Posted on 11/21/2004 4:25:19 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park

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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

HOLY MOSES! This guy hits an "out of the park" grand slam!


21 posted on 11/21/2004 5:28:37 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Haro_546

Better for what? LOL Maybe we should send the lawyers to Iraq.


22 posted on 11/21/2004 5:34:05 AM PST by Vor Lady
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To: Grannyx4

UN soldiers? Where? The only military teeth to the UN is from US military forces. No one else on Earth can project power anywhere. China? They can't even get across the Taiwan Strait. Russia? They can't even get around inside Russia in a hurry. The EU? Nope, they need to use US aircraft.

We're it.


23 posted on 11/21/2004 5:36:01 AM PST by datura (It's Time To Destroy The MSM, And Their Politically Correct Ideology/Gay Agenda)
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To: Grannyx4

To enforce Kyoto in civilized countries.


24 posted on 11/21/2004 5:36:02 AM PST by Haro_546 (Christian Zionist)
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To: buffyt
Good to hear that Putin is against it, too.

Putin ratified it.

This guy is a maverick within Putin's circle.

25 posted on 11/21/2004 5:37:28 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: Haro_546
"The senate refused 100-0."

Actually I believe it was 99-0 and I don't recall who the non-voting senator was.

26 posted on 11/21/2004 5:45:50 AM PST by joebuck
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To: Raycpa

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/03/20010314.html


27 posted on 11/21/2004 5:45:58 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: joebuck

Thank you, Maybe it was kerry, tht guy is never in the senate


28 posted on 11/21/2004 5:47:28 AM PST by Haro_546 (Christian Zionist)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

There actually are SOME good Russians. This guy Ilianov has all the facts, draws a reasonable conclusion in the like to historical experience, and is practical-minded.

Unfortunately, only about 5% (very rough guess) of Russians are like this.

Hmm! That is probably the same percentage as in most countries.


29 posted on 11/21/2004 5:52:52 AM PST by docbnj
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"Hmm! That is probably the same percentage as in most countries."

Doc, Maybe less here in he U.S. of A. There is a definite deliberate attempt to make it so. Peace and love, George.

30 posted on 11/21/2004 6:42:48 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

Doc, Or, rather, reverse that. Peace and love, George


31 posted on 11/21/2004 6:44:11 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: joebuck

When the Head of State signs one of these UN Treaties, does it constitute TACIT acceptance regardless of non-ratification by the House and Senate?


32 posted on 11/21/2004 7:00:25 AM PST by codder too
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
"Like fascism and communism, Kyotoism is an attack on basic human freedoms behind a smokescreen of propaganda," he said. "Like those ideologies of human hatred, it will be exposed and defeated."

holy smoke screen! sounds like this rusky gets it. is he safe, what with dissenting and all? or is he himself a propaganda tool. the plot *thickens*.

it will be exposed and defeated

I like the way this guy thinks.

33 posted on 11/21/2004 7:04:18 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

No need to worry. Every country that signed the agreement is planning to cheat on it. It was all a ruse to fool American politicians. If it had worked, the US would have been the only nation on earth to actually enforce this stupid protocol.


34 posted on 11/21/2004 7:12:49 AM PST by e_engineer
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To: joebuck

Actually it was 95-0 with 5 no votes. FYI sKerry voted against.


35 posted on 11/21/2004 7:21:47 AM PST by photoguy
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To: docbnj
This guy Ilianov has all the facts, draws a reasonable conclusion in the like to historical experience, and is practical-minded.

and now there is probably a Gulag with his name on it.
36 posted on 11/21/2004 7:32:30 AM PST by stylin19a (Marines - filling up the Iraq Tomb of the Unknown Soldier)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

More from Illarionov back in the summer, 2004 -

The Moscow Times reports that Russia’s top economist accused Britain of “murder threats” and embracing “national-socialist ideology,” as the United Nation’s global warming dog and pony show plodded into Moscow for a weekend of debates this summer.

Tony Blair’s government is declaring “all-out and total war on Russia” to force Russia to ratify the Kyoto Protocol, said Andrei Illarionov, the personal economic adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

An irate Illarionov blasted Sir David King, the British government’s top junk scientist, of trying, through pressure from Prime Minister Blair’s office and through Foreign Secretary Jack Straw personally, to hijack a two-day conference on the global environmental treaty at the Russian Academy of Sciences.

“During the past year [the British] have used bribes, blackmail and murder threats to put pressure on Russia, which shows how desperate their case is,” Illarionov said.

King filibustered the conference for four hours in an effort to block Russian opponents from challenging the collectivist dogma of the global warming cult.

Illarionov, a highly respected liberal economist, has often clashed with UN socialists on the Kyoto Protocol, which will die if Russia does not ratify it. (In Russia, a liberal is someone who supports capitalism and individual freedom, while a conservative is an old hardline communist.)

Peter Cox, head of the British Meteorological Office’s climate, chemistry and ecosystems department, objected when Illarionov marched into the conference with a cadre of top-notch Russian scientists to refute the socialist junk science of the International Panel on Climate Control, the basis for Kyoto. “Illarionov hijacked the meeting by inviting people who were outside the IPCC process,” whined Cox who knew his global warming con job couldn’t stand up to scientific scrutiny.

The British pack of socialists, IPCC flunkies and untenured con-men panicked when the Russian scientists began unloading data and graphs. A deeply disturbed Cox objected that Illarionov wanted to present scientific facts to debate the global warming issue, so he ordered King to engage in a harassing four hour diatribe to keep the Russian scientists from the podium.

Illarionov reminded the Old Europe socialists that Russia knew about totalitarianism and its tricks and could smell a Marxist rat a continent away.

“Europe has seen the effects of the national-socialist ideology and the Marxist ideology. The imperialist philosophy behind Kyoto is nothing short of these in its scale,” Illarionov said. “This is war. But our cause is just and we will prevail.”

Communist China, the darling of the Kyoto-loving leftists, is exempt from the Kyoto Protocol restrictions, as is India, another giant polluter. The United States has refused to sign onto the Marxist global warming scam, correctly ascertaining that the treaty would destroy millions of American jobs, cost thousands of dollars in increased energy costs for each family and reward the failed socialist policies in Old Europe.

Illarionov accused Britain and other “imperialist” rich nations that signed Kyoto of using the treaty to keep poor nations from developing.

Illarionov argued that the real reason every rich nation but America backs the protocol is because they want control of emissions quotas, something he said will give developed nations unprecedented control of poor countries’ economies.

The Russian Academy of Sciences later issued a statement after the conference stating that it found “no scientific basis” for the Kyoto Protocol.


37 posted on 11/21/2004 8:18:01 AM PST by sergeantdave (More liberal turkeys will be steamed this month than real turkeys baked.)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
38 posted on 11/21/2004 9:53:16 AM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
The protocol, the presidential adviser contended, is scientifically unsubstantiated.

The Russke gets it.

39 posted on 11/21/2004 9:56:47 AM PST by Mike Darancette (RICE '08)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park; calcowgirl; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; hedgetrimmer
will create a "supranational bureaucratic monster" threatening human freedom, similar to the Soviet Union's.

He should know. I thought they were talking about Arnold for a minute.

40 posted on 11/21/2004 9:59:05 AM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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