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'Hey, Hurry Up. You're Holding Up My Men' (Fallujah)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-21-2004 | Toby Harnden(?)

Posted on 11/20/2004 5:09:33 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 11/20/2004 5:09:33 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
I knew that journalists were in fact really nice people. Now I really believe it, because it's right there in the newspaper. They help the soldiers, see.

/wicked sarcasm

2 posted on 11/20/2004 5:12:42 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Freepalogues Rule.)
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To: blam

Why doesn't the military use solely its own uniformed and trained combat correspondents? This would give them control over the media. The media is not now our ally in any way; the media is the enemy of the military and th war on terror.


3 posted on 11/20/2004 5:14:07 PM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: JeeperFreeper

They did that - up through Vietnam. Then the game changed.


4 posted on 11/20/2004 5:17:28 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Freepalogues Rule.)
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To: blam

''I had become one of them. ''

Baloney


5 posted on 11/20/2004 5:17:36 PM PST by Lexington Green (Patriotism is a moral value.)
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To: blam
Ahhh. . .the brave journalist facing death and angering the brass. . .what a bunch of hooey.

"With our flak jackets marked "Press" and helmets that had our blood group scrawled on them - one wag had a sticker reading: "O+. If found injured, please apply drugs. Lots of drugs" - we joined our units"

Yup.. . .a real riot to write about the no-drugs policy, mocking the limits placed on the embeds . .warriors have earned the right to gripe but pampered journalists have not.

Warriors are men doing a mission while journalists are girlie's play acting like they are doing something important.

(Oh, and by the way, I am sure the men of his unit really accepted him as "one of them" for knocking down a ceiling fan.)

Totally self-absorbed idiot.
6 posted on 11/20/2004 5:20:39 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: blam
I see some comments from freepers don't seem to like this article or the writer. I feel differently -- he seems like a decent guy doing a tough job.

The embedded reporter program has been a success for the most part -- I've read some great articles that came out of this program. This reporter seems like one of the good guys.

7 posted on 11/20/2004 5:22:54 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: blam

Finally, just a guy reporting what he sees...simple journalism.


8 posted on 11/20/2004 5:23:35 PM PST by macsmind76 (Macsmind.com - Conservative Commentary and Common Sense)
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To: blam
"I, too, was castigated, for quoting a searingly authentic talk by a staff sergeant, in which he suggested to his men that their commanding officer had been killed because he had been careless. He did say it. But only so much reality could be tolerated."

Not exactly.

You were castigated because you are an a$$. And the fact that you have no idea why the warriors rejected you for supporting the publishing of that dead American shows he will never "get it."
9 posted on 11/20/2004 5:24:07 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Lexington Green

I do not understand just why are the media allowed to be embedded. Especially with their history!


10 posted on 11/20/2004 5:24:24 PM PST by It's me
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To: blam
It's weird. He understands that the photograph is why he was ostracized, but he seems to think that it was the reality that was unacceptable, so absolutely clueless to the violation of the privacy of that moment. Not only was he never one of them,. I really doubt if he is human at all.
11 posted on 11/20/2004 5:29:13 PM PST by bad company (Four more years.)
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To: JeeperFreeper

"own uniformed and trained combat correspondents"

not that they still don't, but the press does not accept their reporting as "independent". It could be pro-military, a cover up, etc. The MSM do not TRUST the military, even journalists.


12 posted on 11/20/2004 5:33:26 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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Toby Harnden: either crazy or big-balled

Anyone who goes into urban combat unarmed has got some respect from me. I think Mr. Harnden seems like a good guy.

I may be going to Iraq before long, and he's welcome on my team.

13 posted on 11/20/2004 5:34:55 PM PST by 68skylark
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I agree. If they don't want things reported, then don't have them embedded.

I think the photo of the dead soldier was probably in bad taste but it doesn't sound like it was used as propaganda.


14 posted on 11/20/2004 5:43:57 PM PST by AggieCPA (Howdy, Ags!)
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To: blam

The truth about embeds is that they are hired to do a job for the state-side media, and their loyalty is to the guys who sign their paychecks not to the troops they're with.

Some marines probably trusted Kevin Sites, and look what happened.

Our boys would be better off if they treated the embeds with a wary eye.


15 posted on 11/20/2004 5:48:41 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: bad company

THIS e-MAIL FROM MY SISTER SON IN BAGHDAD
I think its a good read




" CIB(Combat Infantry Badge)and the Combat Patch, I can't remember which one you get when your unit has taken enemy fire, lets just say that I got mine.

On Friday night my Humvee(A13) was struck by an IED, We was doing our normal night patrols and the IED luckily went off 10 feet behind us. It was most likely a 60MM Mortar round. It was dug in under the asphalt on the side of the road, it was command detonated(set off by an individual)by a wire and a battery. Luckily nobody got hurt, just scared the ---- out of everybody. The Haji that set it off got away, afterward we checked out the vehicle and the IED site. The vehicle had schrapnel marks on it, there was a couple of the marks on my gunners turret, but for the most part everyone is allright, just shaken up. It just brought us to reality, that this stuff can happen to us.

The next day, we checked out the site and we had a guy run from us, my gunner couldn't get a shot off at him. I just don't know how to explain all of this.

Other than that, everything is going allright, we started our day missions today and are going to be doing them for about a week. Yes I will be working Thanksgiving and Christmas(lucky me)

Well I will let ya'll go talk at you later.
Dave "GEAUX TIGERS"

This is my mailing address that some of you guys wanted:


16 posted on 11/20/2004 5:49:29 PM PST by ralph rotten
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To: AggieCPA
Yeah, the photo sounds like very bad taste. I'm glad that asshole got kicked out of the unit. He's lucky if that's all that happened to him. I would never defend that photographer -- I was writing to defend the author of this article, who sounds like good guy.
17 posted on 11/20/2004 5:51:09 PM PST by 68skylark
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"I think the photo of the dead soldier was probably in bad taste but it doesn't sound like it was used as propaganda."

The photograph that is being referred to is disturbing to say the least. As far as being used as propaganda, it has appeared on several dissident websites.

I was going to post it in regard the mosque shooting by the Marine that is so much in the news. It clearly makes a case in defense of the young Marine who shot the wounded insurgent. However I thought better of it and never posted it.

18 posted on 11/20/2004 5:53:09 PM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: 68skylark

Ollie North was an enbedded reporter.


19 posted on 11/20/2004 5:53:50 PM PST by stockpirate (Not we must take our mandate and do the deed.)
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Ollie North was an enbedded reporter.

Good point.

I remember the "major combat" phase of the Iraq invasion. Most freepers (myself included) were thrilled with the stories coming from the embedded reporters. And a bunch of libs were wringing their hands with worry because they thought the stories were too pro-American.

Now we've had one bad experience with the program, and some freepers want to get all angry at anyone who's ever written a newspaper story in Iraq. I don't think the answer is that simple.

20 posted on 11/20/2004 5:59:50 PM PST by 68skylark
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