Critic Ignores Whole Truth About Ex-Gays

Concerned Women For America ^ | Nov. 20, 2004 | Warren Throckmorton

[little jeremiah]

You read the whole article and your conclusion is that ministries or organizations to help homosexuals leave the "gay" life are nothing but "gay" dating clubs?

Or did I not understand you?

[Clint N. Suhks]

there are lots of men who are 0 on the scale, and some men who are 6 on the scale, but not so many in between.

That’s not true, using the Kinsey scale he concluded that only 50% of the population were at "0" and 60% of all men had some type of homosexual relationship before age sixteen. His discredited junk science, based on faulty data derived from crazy sampling, has been pushed for years by the pro-homo propagandists with little to no fact checking of their legitimacy. Using the Kinsey scale to demonstrate the “degree” of pathology is irresponsible and disingenuous.

…other researchers weren't able to replicate it.

Hmm…You sure went a long way to support your theory, using two self-serving discredited homosexual researchers and then you discredit yourself in one fell swoop? Curious approach, kind of reminds me of the throw it all against the wall philosophy of what ever sticks serves to further confuse the public and blur the lines over behavioral life choices and their consequences.

Other lines of investigation strengthen the psychological explanations. I recall reading that youngest sons are somewhat more likely to turn out gay. I also recall reading about a study that tracked boys identified by their peers as "sissies" -- 75% of them turned out to be homosexual when they reached adulthood.

Got a cite for those studies? I’ve never heard of either of those conclusions or those even being floated by the pro-sodomy crowd? Seems like the random sampling for the “sissy” kids might be difficult to achieve and the control group would be what…non-sissy boys?

Evidently, things that interrupt or interfere with the social development of boys amongst their peers sets the stage for the development of homosexuality.

Now that’s the most intelligent thing I’ve heard you say yet.

[megatherium]

That’s not true, using the Kinsey scale he concluded that only 50% of the population were at "0" and 60% of all men had some type of homosexual relationship before age sixteen. His discredited junk science, based on faulty data derived from crazy sampling, has been pushed for years

I wasn't quoting Kinsey's research, I was quoting Hamer's research. It was Hamer who concluded (contrary to Kinsey) that most men are basically completely straight or else completely gay but relatively few are genuinely bisexual. Hamer stated his research results in terms of the Kinsey scale, but he wasn't using Kinsey's data.

Got a cite for those studies? I’ve never heard of either of those conclusions or those even being floated by the pro-sodomy crowd? Seems like the random sampling for the “sissy” kids might be difficult to achieve and the control group would be what…non-sissy boys?

Here's what I scared up on AskJeeves.com:

Green, R. (1987). The "Sissy Boy Syndrome" and the Development of Homosexuality, Yale University Press, New Haven CT. (Cited in D. Bem, Exotic Becomes Erotic: Interpreting the Biological Correlates of Sexual Orientation, Archives of Sexual Behavior, 29 (2000).)

[EdReform]

BTTT

What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)

Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

[scripter]

This link will bring you to to end of my FR profile which contains links of the latest research on genetics and homosexuality.

The entire database is too large to post on FreeRepublic so I'm trying to come up with better ways to post the information. It may be that posting the database in sections (based on category) is the only alternative... but even this solution is only temporary as the database continues to grow.

[EdReform]

The entire database is too large to post on FreeRepublic so I'm trying to come up with better ways to post the information. It may be that posting the database in sections (based on category) is the only alternative...

Good Morning, Scrip! I've been thinking about that for some time, too. There just doesn't seem to be many good options. Perhaps, for now, you could post it as a Version 1.2 with only the articles added since version 1.1, and then have a link back to version 1.1. That would preserve the 'article listing by year' format, which is very useful!

Thanks again for the outstanding effort you've put into your "Index of Links" - we'd be lost without it!!

:o)

[little jeremiah]

Bump!

[scripter]

Mornin', ER. I've been thinking along the same lines. There's only one problem - I don't have a listing of what's been added since version 1.1. It would work if the only articles added into version 1.2 were from 2004, but articles have been added for 1995, 2001, etc. that were not in version 1.1.

Keep those ideas coming! I've also considered adding in the author and source site, but that's just more work. J

[Clint N. Suhks]

I wasn't quoting Kinsey's research, I was quoting Hamer's research....Hamer stated his research results in terms of the Kinsey scale,

The Kinsey scale was derived from his research, Hamer using it validates Kinsey which you indeed "quoted". Garbage in Garbage out.

Here's what I scared up on AskJeeves.com:

You gave me a reference not a cite, at link to the "study" would also be helpful. If you didn't read it on the web can we assume you're well researched night owl at the NIH library?

[megatherium]

I'm afraid you are still missing my point: Hamer's research directly disproved Kinsey's claim (expressed using his scale) that male sexuality falls along a smooth continuum. Hamer showed that rather, most men are completely straight, some men are completely gay, and there aren't many in between. Expressed in terms of Kinsey's scale: Lots of 0s, some 6s, very few 3s. This directly contradicts Kinsey, who thought there were plenty of 3s as well as plenty of 6s. Kinsey's research was poorly done if not dishonest, but his scale is a purely descriptive device that doesn't need "validation".

May I offer an analogy: Suppose I invented a scale, from 0 to 6, to describe how conservative a person is. 0 means completely conservative; 6 completely left-wing. Suppose I then did some research, where I surveyed hundreds of people, to find out what the distribution of conservative or liberal was, on my scale. I then announced, based on my results, that not very many people are 0s, 1s or 2s, but there are lots of 4s, 5s and 6s. But then you come along, and notice that my research was shoddy: I only interviewed people at college campuses on the west coast. You do an honest, careful study, which shows actually most people are in the 0 to 3 range. You express your results using my scale. This gets the message across. This is what Hamer did using the Kinsey scale.

Here is the link to the Bem article: http://www.dbem.ws/Biological%20Correlates.pdf. In this article, he mentioned research that showed that 75% of "sissy" boys grew up to be homosexual men; he also mentioned other studies that arrive at figures such as 63%. (The cited reference is to a monograph that includes the 75% study.) Bem is a Cornell psychology professor; his homepage is http://www.dbem.ws/.

For curiosities' sake, I might mention I originally happened across Bem while reading about parapsychology. Apparently, Bem is a very prominent psychologist, who startled his colleagues in the early 1990s by co-authoring an article that argued for the reality of paranormal phenomena.

[newzjunkey]

Change in behavior does not indicate change in impulse.

[newzjunkey]

Evidently, things that interrupt or interfere with the social development of boys amongst their peers sets the stage for the development of homosexuality.

Therefore homosexuality in your children could be prima facia evidence of child abuse or neglect at home.