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Bioethics class visits neonatal facility (Culture of Death Alert!)
Princetonian ^ | November 15, 2004 | Elyse Graham

Posted on 11/17/2004 9:22:53 AM PST by NYer

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To: NYer

Ummm.... Daughter. 25 weeks gestation. 2.4 pounds. 10 1/2 inches long. Currently an A student, freshman in high school, Silver Star Girl Scout and Red Belt in Karate. 5'5" tall, wickedly tan California Blonde who does indeed surf, bicycle, trampoline, swim, help run an dog rescue team, teach Sunday school.....

She can probably whoop that professor with one gorgeous fist tucked behind her back.


41 posted on 11/17/2004 4:08:17 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi.)
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To: Coleus

which we now have to contend: euthanasia and the Terri schiavo case, abortion, infanticide, the homosexual agenda and our schools turning into temples of the secular humanists.


This is much more than someone who's daily chores are placing their children under governmental care...public schools, driving in traffic where 50% of the others are uninsured, working at a job they consider stressful, fixing dinner for the kids and then trying to decide what is the best program to relax in front of on the TV, can handle mentally.

That's why we have this 'there's nothing I can do attitude' amongst the population.


42 posted on 11/17/2004 5:01:14 PM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: Hi Heels; jill1; NYer; Brad's Gramma

HiHeels, Congratulations on your success.

Jill, we, too, are graduates of St. Peter's NICU.

NYer, the staff at St. Peter's asked us about our religious beliefs. Dr. Hiatt and the rest of the staff at this NICU are miracle workers. He was very professional as he personally explained our situation and everything that could happen, good or bad. My daughter was three months early and did fit (with room to spare) in the palm of my hand. It takes very special people to do what they do. I will be grateful forever.

We went through all of the emotions one can imagine. We watched all of the equipment, hoping that it would help her come through.

Six years later, my daughter is an A student, plays piano, is in karate and amazes everyone with how mature she is for her age and how much she loves to learn. An experience such as what some of us here have lived through changes everyone involved.

I know that someone said that this class should not have been in there. I think that everyone should be able to see what goes on in a NICU (of course, making sure they bring no added health problems to the babies.) The experience would change the minds of those who think that a baby is only a baby at forty weeks.


43 posted on 11/17/2004 5:22:30 PM PST by Unknown Freeper
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To: Unknown Freeper; Texas Termite

God bless you, Unknown...incredible people, aren't they?

I'm SO HAPPY to read of your praise report!!!

Six years old......wow!! How wonderful our Lord is!!


44 posted on 11/17/2004 5:26:02 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: NYer

Was anyone else bothered that the writer of this article refers to Calise's babies as "it?" The babies were either a boy or a girl. If the author did not know, she could have asked.


45 posted on 11/17/2004 5:30:06 PM PST by Unknown Freeper
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Peter Singer threads on the FR
46 posted on 11/17/2004 6:14:03 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Unknown Freeper; MHGinTN; cpforlife.org
Thank you both for sharing your beautiful stories!

Was anyone else bothered that the writer of this article refers to Calise's babies as "it?" The babies were either a boy or a girl. If the author did not know, she could have asked.

If you scroll up a few threads to post 17, you will find some additional information on Prof. Singer. He is a vegetarian who believes that apes should be extended personhood and legal rights. Perhaps in the mind of this mindless prof. baby apes are categorized as boys and girls. Human infants, apparently are not entitled to the same dignified status.

Last night, a woman I once admired for all the work she does with a particular dog breed rescue, went into a rant during a telephone conversation. In my life, I have never heard anyone scream more vociferously as she, as she lashed into those who would impose their religious morals and deny a woman the right to choose. I asked her how she, as a purported Christian, could justify shoving a pair of scissors into the skull of an infant, in the birth canal, and suck out his/her brains. What I should have asked her was how she would feel if someone attempted a similar procedure on her favorite breed of dog.

There are those in society who have shifted their pro-life arguments to animals, abandoning those 'created in the image and likeness of God".

47 posted on 11/17/2004 6:35:15 PM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer
Perhaps time to post this:

"Unto God the Lord belong the issues of death, that is, the disposition and manner of our death; what kind of issue and transmigration we shall have out of this world, whether prepared or sudden, whether violent or natural, whether in our perfect senses or shaken and disordered by sickness, there is no condemnation to be argued out of that, no judgment to be made upon that, for, howsoever they die, precious in his sight is the death of his saints, and with him are the issues of death; the ways of our departing out of this life are in his hands. And so in this sense of the words, this exitus mortis, the issues of death, is liberatio in morte, a deliverance in death; not that God will deliver us from dying, but that he will have a care of us in the hour of death, of what kind soever our passage be."

John Donne, of course. You can read the whole sermon here.

48 posted on 11/17/2004 6:49:13 PM PST by John Locke
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


49 posted on 11/17/2004 8:03:00 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: NYer
But the presence of Singer and his class made things less clear.

You don't reason with ghouls like this. You drive them out of the hospital with a baseball bat. God help us.

50 posted on 11/18/2004 4:53:16 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife
It's a shame that they are willing to give up their humanity for a grade.

Ah, the power of schooling. (Note that I didn't say "education.")

51 posted on 11/18/2004 4:54:58 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Coleus

Bump!


52 posted on 11/18/2004 7:58:32 AM PST by windchime (Won't it be great watching President Bush spend political capital?)
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To: NYer; 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; Askel5; attagirl; axel f; ..
Actually, this is the must read. Sorry for the mis-post. (But don't forget to send Terri some Birthday greetings!

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

53 posted on 11/18/2004 2:25:26 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I used to be a lumberjack, but I just couldn't hack it. They gave me the axe.)
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To: NYer
What are the ethics of converting a neonatal intensive care ward into a tourist attraction?

Were these medical students?

This story should disturb anyone who entrusts their children to the care of a hospital.

Perhaps a letter or email campaign to the Administration of the hospital would be in order.

Best regards,

54 posted on 11/19/2004 8:37:01 AM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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Professor Peter Singer, vegetarian(Culture of Death Alert!)

55 posted on 11/19/2004 10:57:32 AM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya! Kill Humans, Save the Bears!!)
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