Posted on 11/16/2004 12:13:15 PM PST by demlosers
actually, i think the foreign money has nowhere else to go. You got it, bro. Just listen to these journalism majors tell us that we gotta worry about that Euro taking over the role of the world's reserve currency. The Euro is 15 economic basket cases headed over a demographic cliff as their populations age, because they aren't even reproducing themselves. Meanwhile, the geography is filling up with Muslims. The Euro a long-term store of value? It is to laugh. As a currency, the Euro is nothing but hype. The Yen would make more sense, but the job is too big for Japan's britches. Besides, they got that nut in Korea to worry about, who might lob a few nukes at 'em just to cause trouble. Nobody's going to bet on a country that could be turned into glass in five minutes by North Korea. Who's left? The communists in China? The Ruble? Oh, my sides! These guys will all buy some Euros just to wave their swords at us, but they won't buy very many before they start wondering how many is too many. You don't want to be holding Euro-denominated bonds when the Muslims take over; paying interest is forbidden by the Koran. When all is said and done, you are absolutely right: these guys have nowhere else to go. If you want to be holding a currency where the country is still going to be here in 30 years, you buy ours. |
There you're right...
A stake's something else!
Otherwise every lame waiter would be a
"stakeholder"...
well, what do we do now for our personal finances?...anything?
In California, maybe. Not in the whole country. Might happen in a hundred years, though.
OK, lets follow this logic a bit more... China and Japan have a huge amount of dollars because of our trade imbalance with them. What are they going to do with them? They are caught in as big a bind as we are. For sure they're not going buy Euros - they'll immediately lose 40% from a couple of years ago. What would you do in their shoes?
Would you just sit on them?
Would you keep buying treasuries and at leat get some minimal interest?
Would you buy stocks and bonds in american companies?
Would you start buying hard assets in the US, such as real estate?
Or, or NOT! The greatest pinch will be felt by those who depend heavily on debt for their lifestyle. Get out of debt, don't buy so much imported stuff and everything will be more or less OK.
That one.
Since the election there has been a daily barrage to talk down our economy.
Its a good question with no simple answer.
The key to the answer is to figure out which currency will emerge in the next few years as more stable than the dollar. There will be a lot of global grief as that transition occurs. I don't see a clear or obvious answer.
Japan has a long ways to go to get out of its worker/retiree imbalance. The Chinese are too corrupt to be depended on. I had heard the idea floated a while back that the Asian countries might attempt a Euro. Who knows?
I am wondering if China does not take the opportunity to clean up its act a bit. If it did, it would become formidable virtually overnight. The economy is going gangbusters over there and the masses are getting a taste of it. Enough to cause unrest in the country side.
I think China's real postion today is not that good simply because of the percentage of non performing loans their banks hold. But if their economy were allowed to grow without being stolen off by the power elites then that percentage of non performing loans could get very small in a few years (as compared to the total economy). They could grow themselves right out of their trouble just like the US has done for the past 25 years or so.
Japan is holding the lions share of the US treasuries. China only holds $180 billion in US treasuries. Japan will go to great lenghts not to get screwed (again) by making the Yen more valuable than the dollar. They have routinely gone into the market and purchased dollars in order to preserve their own hide.
Hard to say what a viable strategy is because as the inflation hits the US those same dollars held today will buy less and less here.
A weak dollar IS inflation. This article covers all the aspects of inflatiion without mentioning the cause,i.e. the creation of money/liquidity in greater amounts than the market needs it to maintain an even price level. Inflation, weakening the unit of currency is done to stiff a nation's creditors. They get repaid in cheaper dollars, thus they do not get back the value that they are due.That is why the dollar level of this deficit is trivial. We are inflating the debt away, making the fools who lent Americans money eat it. Of, course it will come back to bite as the cost of borrowing money will go up more than the actual rate of inflation as lenders take the heightened risk inot account.
A weakening dollar, i.e. inflation does NO good. Foreign prices rise in America and so do American prices in America but with a lag.Inflation trashes predictibility which discourages ivestment which causes the economy to slow which causes a loss of jobs and declining incomes.
DEBT = Opiat
Once somebody gets hooked on it, it's worse than crystal meth.
Look at our federal government. Can they get rid of it?
Plus the Chinese Yuan is pegged to the US dollar, which makes the Yuan worth just as much as the dollar before and after the $ slide.
Once somebody gets hooked on it, it's worse than crystal meth.
Look at our federal government. Can they get rid of it?
The last time was about 170 years ago. You'll probably have to wait another 170 years for them to kick the habit. LoL!
And where is this inflation?? We have lower inflation than the Euro block! Using the Euro, we have deflation!! (the europeans can come here and buy goods a lot cheaper (in euros) than they did anytime in the past 3 years plus.
The reason we haven't seen it is that our biggest exporter, China, pegs its currency against the dollar, and the others (including the Euro) are not raising the price of their products in dollars, thus squeezing their profits. By all measures a base Mercedes and BMW should both start at $50K plus, but you can get them today for the essentially the same as when the euro-dollar were at parity.
Obiously this unstable situation can't continue just getting worse. There'll be a point of reckoning, where the chinese will be forced to revalue at a huge cost to them and higher prices for us. The european companies are handling their shrinking profit by moving more and more factories here.
My real interest in not wringing my hands, but rather how can we personally profit from this scenario? What investment strategy can we employ today to come out of it ahead of the game.
Any ideas would be appreciated and would make a great discussion.
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