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House Conservatives Steer Course For Return to Limited Government
Human Events Online ^ | 11-15-04 | Rep. Mike Pence

Posted on 11/15/2004 12:20:45 PM PST by SmithPatterson

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1 posted on 11/15/2004 12:20:45 PM PST by SmithPatterson
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To: SmithPatterson; Mudboy Slim

Reducing the size and scope of government ping.


2 posted on 11/15/2004 12:25:10 PM PST by iceskater (No nation or state ever taxed itself into prosperity.)
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To: SmithPatterson

When pigs fly and/or hell freezes over.


3 posted on 11/15/2004 12:31:03 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: iceskater
"Conservatives must dead reckon from the starting point of what we know to be true about the nature of government. We know that government that governs least governs best. We know as government expands, freedom contracts. We know that government should never do for a man what he can and should do for himself. And we know that liberty also means freedom from the unbridled growth of government and its attendant burdens of debt, escalating taxes and suffocating bureaucracy. As we navigate off of these fixed truths, the way forward is clear: After four years of the largest growth in entitlement and discretionary spending in more than a half-century, we must rediscover the principles of limited government that brought our party to power in 1980 and 1994 and put them into practice. This requires that House conservatives have their own agenda, built on the principles of freedom, including not only what conservatives must do in the 109th Congress, but also what they must undo."

I'd love to see the House GOPers become the conservative counter-balance to those pressuring Dubyuh to grow the Federal Leviathan as much in his second term as he did in his first. We need to support Tom Delay and those House members willing to stand strong fer fiscal conservatism!!

FReegards...MUD

4 posted on 11/15/2004 12:39:03 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hey Rudy G., RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: SmithPatterson

I like that last "The Conservatives Must Undo what the Conservatives Just Did" part. Funny stuff!


5 posted on 11/15/2004 12:41:24 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: newgeezer
If not now, when?! This is the largest GOP majority we've enjoyed in many generations, and Dubyuh still professes to be a conservative despite four years where he allowed the Federal Leviathan to grow way too much.

If We The People demand fiscal conservatism as payback fer our support at the ballot box, I believe the time is ripe fer some genuine decreases in domestic discretionary spending.

FReegards...MUD

6 posted on 11/15/2004 12:42:30 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hey Rudy G., RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: SmithPatterson

Is it really conceivable that this administration can get all this done without the 60 votes in the Senate?

What items are really most important to ensure a conservative victory in the next 4 years?

Surely the Federal Marriage Act and Supreme Court appointees are a must.


7 posted on 11/15/2004 12:44:12 PM PST by joeisright
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To: SmithPatterson
"House Conservatives Steer Course For Return to Limited Government"

In a related story:

Winged Primates Depart From My Nether Regions

developing...

8 posted on 11/15/2004 12:44:56 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: SmithPatterson

"Big Guv'ment!!"
(To be sung to Steppenwolf's "The Pusher")

You know I pay way too much in tax...
Good Lord, (I) take nuthin' from the till!!
Folks, I never wanted nothin'...
FRom Dem Lib'rals like Bill!!
You know, I've seen a lot of Lib'rals walkin' 'round...
With HATRED in their eyes!!
'Cuz Big Guv'ment don't care...
Ah, if you live or if you die!!

God damn Big Guv'ment!!
God damns--I pray--Big Guv'ment!!
Right shall Devolve Power from Government!!

DemRATS are dealers...Big Guv'ment is a SHAM!!
Gotta whup ass on "The Man!!"
'Cuz folks, Dem Lib'rals they're all monsters...
Good God, Right's gotta make a stand!!
The hammer and the scickle (sp?) ain't the way!!
Folks, Left's sellin' you all their FReak dreams...
Ah, but Big Guv'ment takes all yer money...
Lord, we'll FReep Dems...we'll FReep fer Righteous Dreams!!

God damn...Big Guv'ment!!
God damns...God damns the Sosh'lists!!
Right musr RISE UP, God...smite down Big Guv'ment man!!

Well, now if I were the president of this land...
You know, I'd declare total war on Big Government!!
I'd cut back on our taxes...and I'd cut how much we spend!!
Yes I'd kill Left with my Bible and my FReepin' and my pen!!

God damn Big Guv'ment!!
God damn Big Guv'ment!!
I sing, "God damn, God damn Big Government!!"

FReegards...MUD (06/29/2004)


9 posted on 11/15/2004 12:45:19 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hey Rudy G., RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: joeisright
"Is it really conceivable that this administration can get all this done without the 60 votes in the Senate?"

Yes...what we must do is target those DemonRAT Senators who are up fer reelection in 2006 and let them know that they will be exposed as deterrents to progress if they join in the RAT's filibuster of popular GOP initiatives.

"What items are really most important to ensure a conservative victory in the next 4 years?"

Shrinking the size and scope of the Federal Leviathan must be up near the top of our priorities, imho.

FReegards...MUD

10 posted on 11/15/2004 12:49:22 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hey Rudy G., RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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I believe the time is ripe fer some genuine decreases in domestic discretionary spending.

Absolutely. I'm not holding my breath, though. I hope I'm wrong when I say a half-dozen or so new faces on Capitol Hill aren't going to change the direction of that Federal Leviathan.

The only balanced budgets I see in the future will happen much the same as Clinton's... purely by accident and only when convenient and risk-free.

Tomorrow's R party will be much the same as that of the recent past. Lots of talk, barely token action, and demagogued into spineless submission by their D rivals.

I had high hopes after the '94 election. Man, was I a rube.

11 posted on 11/15/2004 12:56:32 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: iceskater

Why are you throwing paleo-con chum in the water? Arrrrrrgghhh here they come!


12 posted on 11/15/2004 1:09:05 PM PST by Rippin
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To: SmithPatterson

"Mandate" I'll buy. An outright majority lets you claim that. "Landslide" is a bit much, though; I think it takes more than a 3% margin of victory to claim that.


13 posted on 11/15/2004 1:12:11 PM PST by RonF
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"paleo-con chum"

Is that what fiscal conservatism has become to the Republican Party? Nawww...I look at it as non-Milquetoast Moderatism, and Dubyuh ran his final campaign as a non-Milquetoast Moderate. Reagan actually succeeded in making real-dollar cuts to a multitude of domestic spending programs, and that was with a DemonRAT Congress. In '94, the GOP took over both houses of Congress by running as fiscal conservatives...it's an ideology whose time has come!!

FReegards...MUD

14 posted on 11/15/2004 1:17:03 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hey Rudy G., RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: SmithPatterson

EVERYONE must start paying attention to Mike Pence of Indiana.He is without a doubt the "real deal"


15 posted on 11/15/2004 1:17:47 PM PST by Chris AD
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To: RonF
"...it takes more than a 3% margin of victory to claim that."

The final tally was 5% (52%-47%)...MUD

16 posted on 11/15/2004 1:18:11 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hey Rudy G., RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: SmithPatterson

Why should a Conservative Congress reduce government size? They have given no evidence of a willingness to do so. Conservative lawmakers don't reduce the size of government; they only waste money differently from liberals.


17 posted on 11/15/2004 1:21:27 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: SmithPatterson

BUMP!!!


18 posted on 11/15/2004 1:21:55 PM PST by blackeagle
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To: newgeezer
"...a half-dozen or so new faces on Capitol Hill aren't going to change the direction of that Federal Leviathan."

Depends upon the ideological makeup of those new faces. Don't fergit that many of those who supported the Contract With America are still in office, and now they've got a GOP POTUS to sign their legislation. Of course, the Senate still must be overcome, but Devolving Power from the Federal Leviathan and back to States, Localities, and Individuals is a popular ideology that can be sold to the masses.

"Tomorrow's R party will be much the same as that of the recent past. Lots of talk, barely token action, and demagogued into spineless submission by their D rivals."

Based on past performance, I appreciate yer cynicism...still, if WeThePeople make our desires for Fiscal Conservatism known, I think we may have the pieces in place to make it a reality.

"I had high hopes after the '94 election. Man, was I a rube."

Well, we got Welfare Reform through, and that was with Slick Willie as POTUS. Looking back, I don't think any folks can make a viable argument that Welfare Reform was anything but a very good start. Social Security Reform is another issue we can take to the Bank, as is increased reliance on Medical Savings Accounts. Add in some genuine cuts to domestic spending programs and devolving the Power to the States, Localities, and Individuals, and Dubyuh can create a fantastic legacy in his second term.

In any event, if we don't demand it, it ain't gonna happen...and if we don't believe it is even possible, we'll never demand it.

FReegards...MUD

19 posted on 11/15/2004 1:30:33 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Hey Rudy G., RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: SmithPatterson
As the article states, with Republicans contolling the White House, Congress, and Senate over the past 4 years, federal spending on education, health care, and other such things just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Bush did not veto even one spending bill.

I am sure this trend will continue over the next 4 years.

The Republican Party loves big government.

More accurately, the Republican Party loves bigger government.

It doesn't matter what Republicans say when they run for offfice, or what they say when they give speeches. Instead, what matters is how they vote, and what bills they sign.

I voted a straight Libertarian ticket, because I really do believe in smaller government.

20 posted on 11/15/2004 1:52:06 PM PST by grundle
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